Andy Martin 3rd EP session
I assume the ‘Ian S’ is Ian Slaughter? If so then ‘hello Ian’. Any comment here purporting to come from me I actually have to send via e-mail to Andus first because I am unable to contribute to sites like these for technological reasons. There have been 2 or 3 people sent out greetings to me on this site but they’ve not left their e-mail addresses so I couldn’t respond to them even if I wanted to. I only see excerpts from this site when Andus sends them to me – usually when there’s some stupid argument about who played what instrument in The Creeping Nobodies in 1983 and which audience member stole their glue bag etc. It’s bizarre reading comments by people discussing The Apostles when I had forgotten about all that crap by 1990. This doesn’t apply to you, Ian, but it’s such a pain having to use Andus to post these comments I’ll say it here as I’m hardly going to be a regular contributor to this thing. So, for the record: punk died in the 1980s. The 1980s are gone and they’re not coming back. Punk is dead and it’s not coming back. Instead of droning on and on about what you did in the 1980s and who hit who at this or that gig, why not concentrate on what’s happening NOW and THINK AHEAD! Just a thought.
In case anyone else out there wants to release Apostles stuff on vinyl or CD – fine but please ask Dave Fanning first, purely out of politeness and common courtesy. For myself, I think ALL the tracks we’ve ever released should be available as free downloads. If I had my way, UNIT would no longer release CDs – they waste natural resources anyway – but the artwork and music tracks would be issued purely as digital downloads FOR FREE since that way our music is no longer a part of the capitalist commodity exchange. Never mind about that hoary old argument ‘oh but then you won’t make any money from sales of your music’ well we don’t make any bloody money from sales of our CDs anyway so who cares? If I want to make a profit, I work overtime or find another job – music, art and literature should all be free.
Also, thanks to the excerpts Andus sends me from this site, I have now counted no less than 4 occasions when poor Penguin The Peacemaker has had to jump in like a referee with ’steady on, chaps, keep it civil’ type messages. Penguin, referees are generally paid damned good wages – so you should start charging KYPP a decent fee.
If anyone wants to have a go at me (they usually do) then it’s no good posting angry retorts on this site (unless you want to see how long it takes for Penguin to leap in with ‘come on, folks, calm down, keep it friendly’), instead you can pester me at unitunited@yahoo.com.
KYPP: GOT THIS LATER ON via ANDUS IN REPLY TO MY FIRST COMMENT:
alistairliv
January 2, 2009 at 6:19 pmThe story that someone was killed in the Battle of the Beanfield was NOT about in the summer/autumn of 1985. I lived at Greenlands farm, Glastonbury August/ November 1985 where most of the Peace Convoy had ended up.
If there had been a rumour that someone had been killed going about then, only three months after the event, I would have heard it. Pinki was also very involved in the Stonehenge Campaign and she never mentioned any body being killed.
A few years later,once the event had become a counterculture myth, the story may have circulated, but it was not current in 1985/6.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 6:20 pmAndus, you’re just being daft now. Think alistairliv’s comment above should be the last on the subject.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 6:27 pmThats correct I first heard this rumour in 1987, but each time I heard it was the same story, chap dies weeks later from injuries inflicted on him after the beanfield, the fact that the story was the same everywhere I heard it led me to believe it. perhaps it is bullshit, but I will be looking into this.
‘You’re just being daft now’.
Me or the 15 year old boy.
or travellers being suspected of having guns.
Stewart
January 2, 2009 at 6:43 pmYes, yes, yes, but let’s cut to the chase – what sort of beans were they in this field?
And how did they manage to kill a man?
Stewart
January 2, 2009 at 6:45 pmObviously, if the bean in question had fled the crime scene afterwards it would have been a runner bean, and if it was a gullible sort of bean it would be saying: “But – er – I’m sure that story’s true” (that’s a butter bean…). If it had been hot it would have been a baked bean.
But that’s enough bean jokes. I’ve bean there, done that…
chris
January 2, 2009 at 6:52 pmAND AGAIN…..
Andus, you’re just being daft now. Think alistairliv’s comment above should be the last on the subject.
Stewart
January 2, 2009 at 6:54 pmNever heard the story of someone being killed either, and I’m sure I would have if it were true… 🙂
chris
January 2, 2009 at 7:11 pmFurthermore, though perhaps not surprisingly, I have never heard any suggestion – and can’t find anything anywhere on the internet – that it was ever suspected travellers at the battle of the beanfield had, or may have had, guns.
and to paraphrase yourself, one would have thought [the police] “would have reported that seeing as it would have been good and true propaganda for them”
Murders…guns…This is all just complete nonsense.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 7:15 pmOk Chris fair enough.
My Grandma used to grow Runner beans, tricky blighters always attraching greenfly, had to keep spraying them.
Anyway here is the Battle of the Beanfield for those who have not seen it,
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=15246101
andus
January 2, 2009 at 7:19 pmYou need to look for old newspaper footage from the time, I remember The Sun going on about travellers having guns, and it was mentioned on the bbc news at the time, it was a story that ran for about a week.
anyway I thought you had called time on the subject.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 7:29 pmRight luckily, the documentary Spirit of Albion is available on google video in 12 parts, If I remember right its this film that mentions all of my above assertions, its a channel 4 film first shown in 1987.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=spirit+of+albion&emb=0&aq=f#
chris
January 2, 2009 at 7:42 pmQUOTE: I remember The Sun going on about travellers having guns
Ah, Of Course! I should have thought to check with The Sun, clearly the most impartial and non-partisan of newsources regarding Hippy Travellers.
Jesus fucking christ…..what are you on?
and i’m sure I could find loads of videos on the net about how the Bush Administration was responsible for 9/11, how the moon landings were faked or how the 2004 tsunami was Israeli nuclear weapons testings but it doesn’t mean there is one iota of truth in any of this bullshit and, sorry, but i certainly don’t need to sit through 12 parts of some film to know that.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 8:56 pmWhat are you on. I said the travellers were accused of having guns, not that they did have guns.
Because the film will prove you wrong about the travellers being accused of having guns. And it will prove I wasn’t making it up.
I must say though Chris, You are one of the most obnoxious little gits I have ever had the misfortune to meet, you have no manners, no decorum, You go about insulted and trying to ridicule people you don’t even know. And then pass yourself off as being politically correct.
Go back to the Daily Mail chap.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 9:18 pmhahaha! I just love the way if you don’t swallow the conspiraloon/secret state line about something you are immediately a ‘Daily Mail reader’! Classic!! You have come out with that one before in regard to my not falling for all that Alex Jones crap.
As has a guy on another forum who believes that the holocaust never happened and that it is fluoride in water that causes cancer. 🙂
Mate, i’m sure you’re a perfectly nice guy but I just don’t get the way that if you were to walk out your front door now and and your head got wet you’d think the Pentagon was testing cloud-busting bio-weaponry above you rather than there being a bit of rain.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 9:35 pmI think its you who is the conspiraloonie not me mate. I mention the travellers being accused of having guns and a rumour about one of them being killed, and thats a conspiraloonie/secret state line. I suppose you think Bloody Sunday is a conspiracy theory, or the sinking of the Belgrano or even that the 2 million unemployed has been invented. Or that Hesiltine’s mobilisation of the army to kick squatters off Molesworth is another fairy story. Or the miners strike didn’t happen.
I have not accused you of being a Daily Mail fan in a previous thread thats another one of your inventions.
Its funny how you always lack the IQ to understand simply language. I said, Quote, ‘and then pass yourself off as being politically correct, go back to the Daily Mail chap’ in other words you pretend to be politically correct when you rightful place is with all those obnoxious childish Daily Mail readers.
Quote “mate, i’m sure you’re a perfectly nice guy but i just don’t get the way that if you were to walk out your front door now and and your head got wet you’d think the Pentagon was testing cloud-busting bio-weaponry above you rather than there being a bit of rain”.
Actually I would probably think it was you pissing on me.
John No Last Name
January 2, 2009 at 9:36 pmStewart Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Yes, yes, yes, but let’s cut to the chase – what sort of beans were they in this field?
And how did they manage to kill a man?
Er Stewart I think it was a Sawney Bean field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawney_Bean
Ooops sorry now I’m about to get blasted for making fun of the plight of an imaginary dead child.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 9:47 pmQUOTE: Actually I would probably think it was you pissing on me.
Hoho, not a service I offer though i’m sure there’s cards stuck up in phoneboxes or websites for that sort of thing. 😉
For fuck’s sake man, it’s just a bit of fun.
alistairliv
January 2, 2009 at 9:51 pmThe Spirit of Albion documentary Part 1 – talking about events in summer 1986, at 5 mins 10 seconds has a news reporter says ” a senior police officer was overheard to say to a junior colleague that ‘some of the travellers have armed themselves with machetes and stones’ but there is no evidence of this”…
Not quite guns then… and no evidence either.
In about 1988 I did meet an ex-Traveller who had become a pagan. This was in our flat (me and Pinki’s) in Hackney. He did say, and I believed him – that he had been part of a group of travellers who called themselves ‘The Mutants’ (nothing to do with Mutoid Waste Co. folks) in Wales. They were heavily into drug dealing and he did have a shot-gun which he carried in his truck as protection against other drug dealers – Hells Angels I think.
But he realised he was being stupid and got out of the scene and became a ‘peace loving pagan’… and he was not part of the Stonehenge Peace Convoy travellers at the time he had the gun.
johng
January 2, 2009 at 9:56 pmThe story about guns and the convoy is all explained in Andy Worthingtons book The Battle of The Beanfield, there was no murder at the beanfield either. There were folk without mot, insurance etc but not everyone, those who didnt got their trucks and buses impounded if they weren’t already destroyed that year more than likely got em impounded not long after. Theres only so many times you can fail to ‘produce’ before it all catches up with you.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 9:58 pmYes, Al, I watched that part too.
Perhaps most notable point being that it is a report of Stonehenge in 1986 (as the flltage is flagged at the start) – *NOT* 1985 when the ‘battle of the beanfield’ actually occurred.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 9:59 pmYou need to watch the bit with Lord Cardigan speaking, and the newspaper cutting they show.
and once again
I DID NOT SAY THEY HAD GUNS I SAID THEY WERE ACCUSED OF HAVING THEM.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 10:00 pmperhaps most notable point being that it is a report of Stonehenge in 1986 – *NOT* 1985 when the ‘battle of the beanfield’ occurred.
So, and your point………………
andus
January 2, 2009 at 10:05 pmFor fuck’s sake man, it’s just a bit of fun.
What being pissed on. or thinking that rain is piss, or going in phone boxes looking for piss prostitutes.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 10:12 pmOoooooh-Kaaaay…take two…
my ‘point’ being –
“that [your ‘Spirit of Albion’ film and it appears the only ‘source’ to substantiate your assertions) is a report of Stonehenge in 1986 – *NOT* 1985 when the ‘battle of the beanfield’ occurred”
🙂
johng
January 2, 2009 at 10:15 pmnever liked the idea of getting a ‘golden shower’….each to their own tho
andus
January 2, 2009 at 10:25 pmPart 9 deals with the Battle of the Beanfiled; And stop intimidating me with those smiley faces.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 10:41 pmAndus, I have just watched part 9 all the way through, two times.
there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of anyone being killed or anyone having guns.
Unless perhaps it is subliminally encoded.
mate, you’re just digging yourself into a hole.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 10:52 pmNo I know it doesn’t mention anyone being killed, but it does mention some Nazi dude who tried to sell the hippies guns, and it shows you the press cutting,
seitan
January 2, 2009 at 10:56 pmyou two need to get a room.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 10:56 pmQUOTE: No I know it doesn’t mention anyone being killed, but it does mention some Nazi dude who tried to sell the hippies guns, and it shows you the press cutting,
***** NO! IT DOESN’T !!! *****
QUOTE: If I remember right its this film that mentions all of my above assertions, its a channel 4 film first shown in 1987.
andus, mate, just admit in this instance you haven’t ‘remembered right’. It’s no big deal, and 1987, if that’s when you last saw the film, was a long time ago.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 11:05 pmSorry mate wrong part. its in part 10.
chris
January 2, 2009 at 11:08 pmreally, mate, it doesn’t matter. I’m off out for a drink now anyway.
andus
January 2, 2009 at 11:09 pmNo I haven’t remembered right no, must be some other documentary.