This interview with Richard Cabut was recorded at the Resonance studio in Borough, London, mid-November 2017, but has remained unaired due to administrative difficulties.
It was chaired and produced by Mr A.U – an outstanding job, thank you.
The raw audio of Richard Cabut talking about the book is available here and now on the link below – a KYPP exclusive!
Areas / topics / people covered and / or mentioned:
Ideas and lifestyles associated with punk, and how those lives and lifestyles have evolved and changed until today! The overriding theme is constant ‘becoming’.
The dislike of anniversary culture – the mawkish and sentimental rehashing of history!
The subversive nature of punk!
Jon Savage! National punk rock treasure. Jon has contributed a punk etymology to the book. Jon’s idea is that everyone keeps on adding their own entries; punk as an ever-unfolding concept in other words.
Jonh Ingham! Brilliant Sounds scribe who wrote the first Sex Pistols interview. Jonh’s piece for Punk is Dead follows Patti Smith’s 1976 tour. It’s fantastic. Jonh was the first speaker at the book’s launch, at Rough Trade West in October 2017 – he set the bar high.
Your own, your very own Mr Tony Drayton! The glory and importance of Tony D’s Kill Your Pet Puppy Sid Vicious March piece – which has been annotated by Richard and Tony himself for Punk is Dead: Modernity Killed Every Night.
Neal Brown! Neal was part of the W11 squatting cognoscenti of the early/mid-70s, and played for the Tesco Bombers along with Keith Allen, Richard Dudanski, etc. He has also written books about Tracy Emin and Billy Childish. Neal’s contribution to the book is akin to the best rock ‘n’ roll song ever.
Dorothy Max Prior! Part of early incarnations of Adam and the Ants and Monochrome Set. She also played in Rema Rema and was Dorothy, the Dorothy who recorded a record for Industrial Records. She also played a part in Psychic TV during the mid 1980’s. Max also knows a thing or two about chakras and ballroom dancing. Her piece in the book is about punk rock and stripping. Cool or what!
Tom Vague! The most important psychogeographer in W11 (and beyond!). An authority on Situationist theory. Tom’s contribution to Modernity Killed details not only the links between punk and King Mob, but between punk and the Gordon Riots too. Yeah.
Jacque Vaché – an influence on the Surrealist movement – the origin of phrase Modernity Killed Every Night can be laid at his door. How punk became ‘anti’.
Ultra violence with the Clash in Dunstable! Richard Cabut’s first-hand account – knives and shooters in LU5.
Punks in the 80s ‘create an environment in which we can truthfully run wild in’! Creative squatting.
Richard reads from 1977, one of his pieces in Modernity Killed! ‘In 1977 I am 17, perfect.’
Arguments against academia and Theory in respect of the book!
Tracks played during the show:-
Magazine – Alternate Bites, We Are Eating Sandwiches (My Mind Ain’t So Open). Demo recorded September 1977, Penine Sound Studio, Oldham. (‘Beckett set to music’).
Dorothy – I Confess (Industrial Records). Max in her Dorothy guise.
Psychedelic Furs – Sister Europe. ‘Words are all just useless sound / Just like cards they fall around / And we will be’.
Wire – I am the Fly. ‘I shake you down to say please as you accept the next dose of disease’.
The Fall – It’s the New Thing. ‘As for new hotels / Look like science fiction films or revival gothic pigswill / Watch the skies, what to think / Crash smash crash ring’
Snatch – Stanley. Judy Nylon, one part of Snatch, famously helped to invent ambient music, but more importantly she wrote this book’s fabulous foreword, Punk is the Diamond in My Pocket.
Essential Logic – Aerosol Burns. Some people, especially the Resonance interviewer A.U., feel that X Ray Spex weren’t worth watching after Laura Logic left / was kicked out.
Lydia Lunch (I think) – something quite shouty.
Crass – Punk is Dead. Penny Rimbaud is wonderful – he typed out a copy of his Crass at the Roxy piece for this book by hand. Which seems right, and fits in with the Dial House artisan vibe. Either that or Penny doesn’t know how to cut and paste, which also seems right. Mr Rimbaud’s great chapter includes a brand new intro.
The dub underlay is Bobby Ellis – Minibus Rock (version).
The book is available direct from Zero Books HERE.
The photograph of Richard at Ongar station prior to interviewing Crass for his Kick fanzine courtesy of Tinsel.
REVIEWS & ENDORSEMENTS
Composed of essays, interviews, memoirs and manifestos by veterans of London’s punk scene, Richard Cabut and Andrew Gallix’s Punk is Dead is a nostalgic, intelligent homage to the brief, hazy era of “pure” London punk, before it was named, over-described and turned into another subcultural phenomenon. This golden age lasted somewhere between four and eighteen months, depending on who’s recollecting, although most agree that by 1978, it was over. A yearning for its own prelapsarian state was built into punk’s ethos. As the punk musician-turned-philosopher Simon Critchley tells Gallix, “Because of the acute awareness of the fact that punk . . . would become a creature of the very music industry whose codes it subverted, we knew that it was going to be short-lived. And that was fine” The book is also a homage to youth and lost possibilities. In her foreword, Judy Nylon (formerly Niland) describes arriving in London in 1970 with an overnight bag and $250, wearing jean shorts and a black Borganza coat. “Bands are necessarily approximations of the dreams that conjured them up”, Gallix writes in his essay “Unheard Melodies”. Punk is Dead shows the transmission of culture as a kind of lucid group dreaming. The accounts of its contributors capture the role that coincidence plays in history. Ideas can rarely be traced back to one person; they accrete and recur. Gallix is eloquent in his defence of nostalgia against the cult of an amnesiac future. Punk might be not only the last great subculture in the rock and roll mode, but the most analysed and documented. Nevertheless, art and cultural histories are always reductive, and, as he writes, “the past is subtly rewritten, every nuance gradually airbrushed out of the picture”. Some of the contributors to Punk is Dead are professional writers and critics, although most of them are not. Cumulatively, their contributions evoke the texture, meaning and sensation of being young four decades ago in a now-unimaginably derelict London. They recall the smell of new vinyl records, beer, cigarettes and hair dye; the pointless squabbles with band mates; the composition of outfits; the eruption of street fights; the sweet taste of cherries picked outside a squat; and the ubiquitous brown packets of speed. Some of the pieces are historical documents, while others appear for the first time in this anthology. Together, they capture the collective soul of an era. — Chris Kraus, Times Literary Supplement.
Perhaps that’s why this anthology, Punk Is Dead, published on the eve of Never Mind the Bollocks’ 40th, feels so relevant. Punk may be, as co-editor Andrew Gallix admits, “probably the most analysed youth cult ever,” but its resonances with the contemporary zeitgeist make it ripe for such analysis—even if, he is also quick to add, it continues to resist tidy theses. Gallix, the founder of literary webzine 3:AM, and his fellow editor, music journalist turned playwright Richard Cabut, are wise enough not to attempt any grand summations. Instead, they curate and contribute to an eclectic, dialectic collection of 28 short essays, juxtaposing historical testimonies from the eye of punk’s hurricane with more critically distanced analyses of its aftermath. The result admirably captures punk’s fractured, anarchic early spirit—if also, inevitably, some of its clannishness and opacity to newcomers. As its title implies, the ultimate failure of this revolution in the head is the closest thing the book has to a running theme. Virtually every contributor avers that punk, in its most exciting form, was over before it ostensibly began. As Gallix writes in his essay “The Boy Looked at Euridyce,” the movement died “as soon as it ceased being a cult with no name… Punk—in its initial, pre-linguistic incarnation… was the potentiality of punk.” By enshrining these six months or so of ferment, before the cult became a commodity, Punk Is Dead embraces what is, on its surface, a decidedly un-punk emotion: nostalgia. But this is not the ineffectual, ideologically empty nostalgia of events like 2016’s “Punk London” celebration, presided over by the city’s then-mayor, Conservative politician and chief Brexit cheerleader Boris Johnson. Cabut, Gallix and the other contributors use their critically productive nostalgia to correct decades’ worth of the former variety: to prevent punk from being, as Judy Nylon puts it in her foreword, “reduced to a coffee-table book of white English boys spitting.” If reading these essays in early 2018 brings any solace, it’s the knowledge that punk has retained its vitality as an ideal, even if it has long since failed as a movement. “Once we were part of punk,” Gallix writes. “Now punk is part of us.” — Zachary Hoskins, Spectrum Culture
The specific purpose of the book is to celebrate that original evanescent wellspring of creativity when punk emerged as a “stylish boho response to the modern world of inertia and consumption” and retained the “innocence characteristic of childhood” of a movement yet to be frozen by being named or sullied by exposure to popular vitriol and acclaim alike. — Colin Coulter, The Irish Times
In his introduction Gallix admits that punk is not only “probably the most analysed youth culture ever”, but that it’s also one of the most resistant to analysis, a problem that his book “has not quite solved”. Indeed, any attempt at a definitive examination of a movement risks a killing, like an animal categorised through vivisection. Accordingly, he and Richard Cabut have instead chosen the theme of punk as a transformative force, a becoming, not just in terms of the music and the culture around it, but in terms of the humans involved, fans included. Cabut and Gallix are just about old enough to be first-hand witnesses to punk: among these pieces are their own memoirs of the time. Accordingly, the book is as much testimony as it is criticism. …Many of the essays are welcome acts of preservation. Some are taken from rare 1970s fanzines like Kill Your Pet Puppy, long extinct magazines like ZigZag and Sounds, and early 2000s blogposts, such as a typically theoretical take from the late Mark Fisher’s blog K-punk. Often, these historical documents are newly annotated by their authors. This layered reading gives the book a feeling of vital historical scope, rather than indulgent nostalgia. — Dickon Edwards, The Wire
The punk movement has, as this book readily acknowledges, been more closely analysed and chewed over more thoroughly than any other moment in pop history. While it’s true that it meant and continues to mean very different things to different people, it’s also true that in recent years the potted history version, shorn of its more interesting edges and lesser characters, is the one that’s prevailed in the age of post-pub BBC4 viewing. While this book is more of a collection of everything from academic essays and lists to personal recollections than anything claiming to be a definitive history, its chorus of different voices and agendas ultimately creates a more accurate narrative. The opening piece sees Snatch’s Judy Nylon – that’s her referred to in Brian Eno’s 1974 song ‘Back In Judy’s Jungle’- reminiscing on her time in London, hooking up with Chrissie Hynde and partying with Nureyev and Keith Moon. It sets the tone well, emphasising that punk had a past as well as a future, the role of women and the American contingent in the capital’s scene, and the fact that it didn’t all revolve around McClaren and the Pistols. Elsewhere there are several big-name contributions, including an essay that Simon Reynolds wrote in 1986 arguing that, on its tenth anniversary, modern music needed to escape its punk-ness to show any hope of progress. ‘England’s Dreaming’ author Jon Savage provides a fascinating history, in list form, tracking the use of the word ‘punk’ from 1946 onwards in 123 different entries. Crass figurehead Penny Rimbaud, meanwhile, shares the experience of the band’s third ever gig in ‘Banned From The Roxy’, originally penned in 1977 but now viewed with the benefit of hindsight and some honest self-criticism. The most interesting bits here are the descriptions of the cast of thousands that populated and/or surrounded the scene at the time. People who weren’t in the bands that made it, those that were just there, feeding off the energy and the anarchy and reacting to it in a million different ways. The inhabitants of North London described in ‘Camden’s Dreaming’ by Richard Cabut, for instance, or the more impressionistic ‘Camera Squat Art Smiler’ by Neal Brown. They both stand up as vivid snapshots of the time as seen through their own eyes rather than any all-seeing overview. This is a book for those who’ve read and digested all the starter level punk literature and are seeking something a little more. They’ll find it here for sure – a generous hit of the hard stuff. — Ben Willmott, The Extricate blog
This is a well-selected collection of essays about punk and its cultural impact, which mixes contemporary accounts with more academic reflective approaches (sometimes in the same chapter). This means it’s quite uneven but that seems appropriate given its subject. You do come away with feeling how exciting it must have been to be involved in what was happening in 1976 and 1977 and how quickly the excitement seems to have dissipated. A good companion to books like Jon Savage’s England’s Dreaming. — Michael J, NetGalley
The book’s title (Modernity Killed Every Night) quotes Jacques Vaché, friend to the surrealist André Breton. But Punk Is Dead is not end-to-end cultural theory; there’s a lot on clothes. Three strands unfurl – papers, essays and first-person accounts. Cabut and Gallix have included historical documents – such as Penny Rimbaud’s 1977 essay, Banned from the Roxy, newly annotated by the Crass drummer – while Gallix argues that punk started ending when it acquired a name. Jon Savage is here, and Ted Polhemus and Vermorel. (…) As an interview with the punk turned philosopher Simon Critchley attests, punk unleashed ideas. It palpably changed suburban teenage futures, rather than ending them. — Kitty Empire, The Observer.
I thoroughly enjoyed Punk is Dead: Modernity Killed Every Night. Edited by Richard Cabut and Andrew Gallix, this anthology of essays, interviews and personal recollections reflects on the ways in which punk was lived and experienced at the time. Gallix flips his finger at those who see nostalgia as an affliction and rightly attempts to promote the fragmented and contested legend of punk to “a summation of all the avant-garde movements of the 20th century . . . a revolution for everyday life. — Deborah Levy, New Statesman.*
*Booker Prize-shortlisted novelist Deborah Levy has chosen Punk is Dead as one of her books of the year in the New Statesman).
The book is available direct from Zero Books HERE.
Tony D and Richard Cabut under the Kings Cross lights.