A message from Andy Martin of The Apostles

Posted on November 9, 2008November 12, 2008 by Penguin

Andy Martin 3rd EP session

I assume the ‘Ian S’ is Ian Slaughter? If so then ‘hello Ian’. Any comment here purporting to come from me I actually have to send via e-mail to Andus first because I am unable to contribute to sites like these for technological reasons. There have been 2 or 3 people sent out greetings to me on this site but they’ve not left their e-mail addresses so I couldn’t respond to them even if I wanted to. I only see excerpts from this site when Andus sends them to me – usually when there’s some stupid argument about who played what instrument in The Creeping Nobodies in 1983 and which audience member stole their glue bag etc. It’s bizarre reading comments by people discussing The Apostles when I had forgotten about all that crap by 1990. This doesn’t apply to you, Ian, but it’s such a pain having to use Andus to post these comments I’ll say it here as I’m hardly going to be a regular contributor to this thing. So, for the record: punk died in the 1980s. The 1980s are gone and they’re not coming back. Punk is dead and it’s not coming back. Instead of droning on and on about what you did in the 1980s and who hit who at this or that gig, why not concentrate on what’s happening NOW and THINK AHEAD! Just a thought.

In case anyone else out there wants to release Apostles stuff on vinyl or CD – fine but please ask Dave Fanning first, purely out of politeness and common courtesy. For myself, I think ALL the tracks we’ve ever released should be available as free downloads. If I had my way, UNIT would no longer release CDs – they waste natural resources anyway – but the artwork and music tracks would be issued purely as digital downloads FOR FREE since that way our music is no longer a part of the capitalist commodity exchange. Never mind about that hoary old argument ‘oh but then you won’t make any money from sales of your music’ well we don’t make any bloody money from sales of our CDs anyway so who cares? If I want to make a profit, I work overtime or find another job – music, art and literature should all be free.

Also, thanks to the excerpts Andus sends me from this site, I have now counted no less than 4 occasions when poor Penguin The Peacemaker has had to jump in like a referee with ’steady on, chaps, keep it civil’ type messages. Penguin, referees are generally paid damned good wages – so you should start charging KYPP a decent fee.

If anyone wants to have a go at me (they usually do) then it’s no good posting angry retorts on this site (unless you want to see how long it takes for Penguin to leap in with ‘come on, folks, calm down, keep it friendly’), instead you can pester me at unitunited@yahoo.com.

KYPP: GOT THIS LATER ON via ANDUS IN REPLY TO MY FIRST COMMENT:

Penguin, you may copy and make available for FREE DOWNLOAD any tracks by UNIT on your site. Forget The Apostles, they were crap, they were for the 1980s, they aren’t relevant any more and, be honest, we really weren’t very good – the only half decent musician we had in the band was Chris Low and by the time I’d finished ‘mixing’ the tracks you couldn’t hear what the poor sod was playing anyway – hear the tracks done properly with UNIT, especially as nearly half the tracks recorded by UNIT don’t even have me on them (which is probably why they sound so good).

The same goes for any artwork – bung it all on there, whatever you like – but I think if you’re going to make Time To Think available then you could warn people that UNIT material does NOT sound like that, i.e. it is recorded properly in a professional recording studio and that I am never allowed anywhere near the mixing desk so everyone can expect a decent production job!

Apostles official site

203 comments

Jim V
December 23, 2008 at 12:28 am

Was Brougham Road given the same life span?
baronvonzubb
December 23, 2008 at 1:03 am

Cant fuckin sleep.
Seems so weird (good) to me that someone wrote a poem about them.
Who is Jon Barraclough?

Edit. I aint being funny here but Crows name was Pete Locke(or am i going gaga?) not Richard Gill.
And if he was dead he could hardly colaberate with Mr Martin to write the song as Mr Richard is credited as doing.
Must be a bit of a mix up here.(There was Brian Gill mate of Danny ‘Lux’ but I very much doubt he would have moved folk to poetry)
Any light on this Phil?
You knew both parties.
baronvonzubb
December 23, 2008 at 1:33 am

Apologies for double post.
Or;
Andy Martin knew Crow and wrote the music together in 1980 – before Crow died – when he, Andy, was in the ‘Black Cross’?
And doesnt want to put Crows real name to it?
How very curious.
Crow was in ‘Chaos’ before ‘The Heretics’.
Didnt know about him doing anything with ‘Black Cross’ but my memorys bolloxed anyway…
You all may be wondering why I give a toss.
Well, simply that if its IS about both Crow & Sniper I might well nick it and bought it in print somewhere.
Eeh oop.
Cheers
Jake
Penguin • Post Author •
December 23, 2008 at 1:53 am

Oh no…my balls up, I always assumed it was the two guys that you knew well Jake…after playing the tape and looking at the lyric sheet more closely for the first time in 20 years tonight, I see the name Richard Gill (Scarecrow) who was a member of The Turdburglers with Luggy, and they both contribute comments on this site from time to time. So this Crow is well and alive. Andy would have known the other Scarecrow (no longer with us) though for sure at the time. Unless Andy Martin made a typo on the lyric sheet and got confused with the writer of the music (R Gill) and the other Scarecrow, could happen I guess. Sure the guy who wrote the poem was probably thinking of the two passed on Heretics skin bashers though…dunno!
baronvonzubb
December 23, 2008 at 2:02 am

No worriz.
Now go to bed. Your kid ‘ll need feeding soon so you need to sleep.
Let ME do the worrying in the wee hours…
Penguin • Post Author •
December 23, 2008 at 4:32 am

The final word on ALL Apostles reissue CDs from Andy Martin’s pen is in the text belonging to the UNIT uploads on post 86 section

Here for the lazy bones

http://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/post86/?p=64

Plenty of interesting Andy Martin prose also included apart from the Apostles reissues, as well as three tracks off most of the available UNIT CD’s.

Go give the post a read and a listen.

Took me ages to put the post up, and obviously ages for Andy to write all the text, with help from Luc from UNIT.

Going to bed NOW BVZ…
Penguin • Post Author •
December 23, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Phil R – King Cross ETC by The Apostles is loosely based on you and your crowd at the time amongst Derby Lodge in the late 1970’s, by a strange twist of fate I uploaded UNITs version of this track last night. http://www.mediafire.com/?2mmoifotvyr

There are plenty more versions of this song on this site with the amount of 7″ cassettes and LPs the band released.

One of my favorite Apostles tracks actually…
Graham Burnett
December 24, 2008 at 3:50 am

I think the apostles track I liked best was their cover version (uncredited – I think they called it ‘the Hunt’ or something) of Thin Lizzy’s ‘Emerald’. Andy Martin was quite surprised that I spotted that one, but having seen The Lizzy perform it as a guitar duel between Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham live at the Southend Kursaal in 1976 (the very first live gig I ever attended in fact) it was pretty indelibly burned into my brain…
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rENy7MQIYJs
Phil R
December 24, 2008 at 9:13 am

Thanks Pengy Andy was spending a lot of time with me Lisa Pinki etc at Derby lodge
Just gonna take this chance to say Nazi Pope FUCK OFF!!!
He has just announced that Queers pose a bigger threat to humanity than the distruction of the worlds rainforests …What an asshole!!!
andus
December 24, 2008 at 12:16 pm

That religion is on its last legs anyway, this is exactly the kind of pope we need, one who will get them to their nemesis quicker. Nazi-pope you bet, he was in the Hitler youth. apparently joined of his own accord and was a big fan of Hitler at the time. Don’t forget the neo-nazi Barack Obama who is not going to prosecute people for torturing Muslins as he said he would, on the grounds that “its all in the past lets look to the future”. Perhaps thats why the nazi’s got convicted at Nuremburug, wrong argument. Hess and company should have simply stated that it was all in the past and we should be looking to the furture, and they would have been aquitted. Barack Obama. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Jim V
December 25, 2008 at 2:10 am

Hi Alistair, re above..when and why was Brougham Road reposessed by the council?
baron von zubb
December 25, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Phil, Popey just shows him self up by saying that shit.
Dont worry the tide has turned. Anyone got the lyrics aof kings Cross etc?
Sam
December 26, 2008 at 12:38 am

“Don’t forget the neo-nazi Barack Obama”

Who also flew in the face of middle America in his acceptance speech mentioning equal rights for gays. Time will tell but he’s not a Nazi.
andus
December 26, 2008 at 2:13 am

Yeah but he didn’t mean it, he appointed Madeleine Albright to his Goverment, Albright who in a 1996 interview with Lesley Stahl on CBS’s 60 Minutes. When asked by Stahl with regards to effect of sanctions against Iraq: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” Albright replied: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it,

So Barack Obama appoints a woman who thinks its ok to kill 500.000 kids. hes definately a Nazi mate, as is the whole US goverment
Chris
December 26, 2008 at 2:49 am

Mate, the US government may be a lot of things – but they are not “Nazis” .
andus
December 26, 2008 at 2:53 am

Is that why they have tortured innocent Muslins in secret camps for years
Chris
December 26, 2008 at 4:14 am

Whatever mate, you win. The whole US government are National Socialists and Barack Obama has a shrine to Hitler in his bedroom.
Nic
December 26, 2008 at 12:00 pm

I didn’t realise that the ‘War on Terror’ was so wide-reaching that they had gone so far as to actually torture fabrics…
First Muslins – what next? Hessian? Velvet?

(Disclaimer: The above ‘humorous’ post is not intended to disparage the plight of those imprisoned. It is – however – a reflection of Emma Goldman’s idea that it’s not my revolution unless I can have a total bloody Doss…)
andus
December 26, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Nic, You’ve got it all wrong its a war on tourists, not terrorists, this is why they torture the stuff that tourists potentially buy
andus
December 26, 2008 at 1:19 pm

‘Whatever mate, you win. The whole US government are National Socialists and Barack Obama has a shrine to Hitler in his bedroom’.

Theres no need to get all technical on me. I see you are are using the word Nazi in its literal sense, I was using it in its slang.

Alright then, They’re evil and the whole US goverment is Evil, is that better.
Chris
December 26, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Yes, matey, it is! and I don’t think anyone would disagree with that!!

I just always find it really daft when people bandy about talk of Nazis and suchlike in terms of Western Government or political policy as it is just hyperbolic nonsense.

It really made me laugh at that CW do at Ladbroke Grove last year when some crusty moron was shouting at the Old Bill who were telling everyone do move out of the road “Fascists…Police State” to which the copper in weary tones replied “Yes, sir, we are Fascists and this is a Police State. Now would you please mind stepping onto the pavement so the No.76 bus can get past”

Classic! 🙂
andus
December 26, 2008 at 10:17 pm

The US goverment is better described as a fascist goverment, after all fascism means rule by corporations, Nazism and fascism are two different political systems, but anyway where does the term nazism actually come from, I have never been able to find out, its not the national socialist workers party in short, so where does that term originate, no one seems to know.
John No Last Name
December 27, 2008 at 1:30 am

Nazi is a shortened version of National Socialist when it’s written in German.

It’s both easy and naive to point the finger at America and say it’s ruled by corporations without also admitting that the same corporations rule the rest of the world too. At this point the entire world does the majority of its manufacturing in China and India and what you buy is shipped to you by big corporations using fossil fuel provided by other big corporations it’s called globalization and it’s the way the world works nowadays.

I also grew out of that ‘all politicians are the same’ and ‘whoever you vote for the governments wins’ school of thought by the time I left my teens. If you want to think Obama is the same as Bush, fine that’s your opinion, if you think Thatcher and Blair are the same as they are both politicians, that’s also your opinion. I’m not arguing that point with you as it would be a waste of both of our time.

Personally I’m going to wait until Obama is actually in power before judging his actions, if after 1 year Guantanamo bay is still open (It’s hardly secret if everyone knows its name and location) they he’ll be a hypocrite in my eyes until then I won’t criticise him for Madeline Albrights views and opinions.

Oh and Chris that was a pretty funny post, nice one, but really class war still exists? Those guys should find a hobby or something.
andus
December 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm

I used to think Nazi was a shortened version of National Socialist written in German but it isn’t. check. National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter partei.
its was actually refered to as the NSDA. were the z comes in I don’t know, and the A is in the wrong place, , theres no i, and the D is nowhere to be seen in NAZI.

When I was young I used to think the politicians were all different, having watched one Govermennt after another since 1974, round about the early 90s I started to realise they were all part of the same club, more or less.
Blair and Thatcher were not the same,no, Blair was a progression from Thatcher. ie. more right wing.

Corporations do operate across the world, but they don’t own the Chinese Goverment, like they do the US one, and they certainly don’t own any Goverments in the Islamic world which is one of the reasons we are at war with them.

I don’t criticize Obama for Allbrights opinions, I criticize him cause he associates with her, ie, any one associating with Hitler on a serious level would be deemed dodgy, goverment is about as serious a level as you can get. Why did he appoint Allbright anyway, there were plently of other choices, no, he picked a person who thinks mass-murder is ok over and above many other candidates. and he appointed Colin (mad bomber) Powell as well. QED.
chris
December 27, 2008 at 6:45 pm

John, I think to all intents and purposes CW ended in the mid ’80s but it’s weary ghost kind of lives on as a cult for misfits of various hue. Like those who claim to be the modern day Manson Family, Red Army Faction or Bay City Rollers.

QUOTE: National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter partei.
its was actually refered to as the NSDA. were the z comes in I don’t know,

errr…it looks like it comes between the ‘A’ and the ‘I’ to me mate. Still as for the origins of the term, Google is a good place to start (or to save you the bother John is correct). Although you may wish to check your sources regarding Obama ‘appointing Colin Powell’ – as he has done no such thing.
andus
December 27, 2008 at 7:08 pm

I don’t see a Z in NSDA Chris, Do you.

The term ‘Nazi’ was in widespread use in Germany as a mildly derogatory term in the early 1930s. It was inspired by the use of ‘Sozi’ for socialists. (Compare with ‘Commie’ for ‘Communist’). Rival gangs of young kids in German school playgrounds in the early 1930s called themselves ‘Nazis’ or ‘Sozis’ and fought one another.
andus
December 27, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Another one of Obama’s appointments was the one Rohm Emanual who was given the position of Chief of Staff, Son of Benjamin M Emanuel who was a member of the terrorist group ‘Irgun’ which bombed hotels,market places as well as being responsible for the infamous Deir Yassin Massacre
chris
December 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm

QUOTE: I don’t see a Z in NSDA Chris, Do you.

No but I do see one in ‘Sozialistische’ – as in: National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter; National Socialist (NAZI) Party of Germany.

NB: The Nazi Party came into being in 1919. I imagine the kids playing games in School playgrounds in the 1930s may have heard of them.
andus
December 27, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Yeah but its not an acronym, its based on syllables, everyone in the past has told me that it was an acronym of NSDA, I was rather puzzled as to how that could be. So Sozi came first as a slang for socialsts, then when Hitlers party came along, the phrase for them was Nazi, With the N going at the beginning to signify Nationalism.

And I stand corrected on Colin Powell, he has not been appointed as yet, but Obama is considering making him the Mideast Envoy, and probably will, especially after todays events.
John No Last Name
December 27, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Hey Andus I thought for a minute you were going to argue German pronunciation with someone that lived there for three years and speaks it fluently? If you say National Socialist in German there is a pronounced Z sound, but you already seem to know this, so why ask the question?

As for Rahm Emanuel (it’s Rahm not Rohm), his brother is one of the biggest entertainment agents in Hollywood is he a terrorist too? Ari Emanuel google him if you want. I think you’ll find him no more responsible for the acts of his father than you are for the acts of yours or I am for the acts of mine. Though Ari is responsible for the careers of Reese Witherspoon and Vin Diesel so I guess he’s not entirely innocent
Stewart
December 27, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Sorry, can I just be clear about this… Was the Pope the lead singer in the Apostles? And – not that I really give a shit – but was he any good????
John No Last Name
December 27, 2008 at 9:59 pm

No Stewart, some guy named Jesus fronted the Apostles and as Paul W pointed out earlier they were in fact crap.
andus
December 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm

The point I was making about Rahm is if say Iran. Syria or Pakistan appointed a son of a terrorist, the US Goverment would make a big thing about it. whats good for the goose is good for the gander, but does Rahm support his Fathers actions, seeing as it involved the formation of Israel I reckon he probably does.

I used to know a bloke from Germany who lived through Hitlers regime as a child, he was drafted into the army age 16 in 1945, the regiment he joined immediately went into the allied lines and surrendered, so his 2 hours in the German army involved surrending, being taken as POW to Britain where he stayed, anyway, I said to him once ‘Is the word nazi short fot National socialist workers party, and he laughed his tits off, but he never did tell me what nazi did stand for, albeit some vague talk of it being slang.