Another New Crimes fanzine cassette release, volume 2 of the New Criminals compilation series. New Criminals volume 1 cassette is also uploaded on this site if you search for it. The Apostles, Attrition, Cold War and This Bitter Lesson have more material on this site also worth searching out.
Oh forgot, another C**** Lo* lend, see if you can fill in the gaps and perhaps win a prize or not.
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Nic
August 21, 2008 at 2:52 pmGreat stuff…Yet again, Chris’ magic attic delivers…
Some thoughts about the release…
This version of ‘Hello Mark’ by The Apostles was recorded at the Wapping Anarchy centre in late 1981…
The keyboard player of Attrition was a couple of years above me in school…I mainly remember that his looks were reminiscent of Marty Feldman. Martin Bowes (Attrition) teaches on a music course in Coventry…
The Get released a flexidisc (‘Vampire Dread’) and had a retrospective released on Graham’s New Crimes tapes. The group reformed recently and have been playing gigs…
Terminal Disaster were only around for about a year, recording a couple of demos in that time. If I remember correctly, some of the members of Terminal Disaster joined forces with members of the Snails (from Walthamstow who had a cassette released on Graham’s New Crimes tapes which also featured Paul A-Z on guitar) in the group Witchhunt, and went on to be in the group Tender Loving care…
Cold War had a single released on Namedrop Records (run by Paul Platypus of 12 Cubic Feet) in 1983…
12 Cubic Feet released a 10″ (and 2 singles with their previous band Exhibit A whose fictional manager ‘Mike Finch’ was utilised by Andy Martin on occasion). The band were involved in compiling the ‘Obscurist’ charts which appeared in Sounds music weekly. Duncan Jack (ex-What is Oil?) played with them for a time – he died some years ago…Napalm Death were supposed to play a gig with 12 Cubic Feet (and The Apostles and Look Mummy Clowns) in Nottingham in late 1983, but the cockneys didn’t turn up…
This Bitter Lesson featured Paul A-Z on guitar (editor of A-Z fanzine). He later went on to play guitar in Faction (All the Madmen) who featured Rob Challice (editor of Enigma fanzine)…
Chris
August 22, 2008 at 1:29 pmYea, Nic. I was gonna say that but you beat me to it. 😉
Graham Burnett
September 1, 2008 at 11:26 amI was always a bit ambivalent about including ‘Your Legal Slaughter’ on this comp as it was an anti-abortion song IIRC. However I never got any negative feedback about it so maybe nobody even noticed??
Graham Burnett
September 1, 2008 at 5:17 pmJust got around to playing the MP3 of New Criminals side 1 – unfortunately it seems that the last few seconds of ‘The Delay’ by Train Fares has been cut, for those that want to know the outcome of the song, which was a true story about being delayed on a train at Barking Station with a train drivers strike due to start at midnight, the last lines are:
“I havn’t seen the guard since that day,
But i hope he got his back pay”…
In fact all train fares songs were about true train related incidents.
A later Train Fares song recorded in 1989 called ‘I Pay My Poll Tax’ wasn’t actually about the Poll Tax at all, rather it related the story of when Paul Train Fare and myself went to a Hellbastard gig at The George Robey, and the train journey home which should have taken about one and a half to 2 hours at the most actually got us back at half past five in the morning…
This being the year before the Poll tax came in, one irate fellow passenger was demanding answers from station staff and in exasperation shouted across the platform. “I demand to know whats going on! I pay my Poll tax!!” To which his friend commented “No you don’t!” So man number 1 shouts “Well I will do!!”
W
September 12, 2008 at 12:11 amNice to hear some Attrition. I too was at school with Ashley of Attrition, and with yourself too Nic (obviously!). A fine man. He kindly gave me a sofa to live on for a while when I was homeless.
chris
September 12, 2008 at 10:18 amI was always a bit ambivalent about including ‘Your Legal Slaughter’ on this comp as it was an anti-abortion song IIRC. However I never got any negative feedback about it so maybe nobody even noticed??
Bizarre! i’d just taken it to be an anti-vivisection song. Although, back then, unless a song title featured the words ‘war’ or ‘system’ (or even better; BOTH) you could safely take it to be an anti-vivisection song. 🙂
But seriously, I always found it a bit strange that despite many anarcho-types (not saying TBL really fell into that camp tho’) paying lip service to feminism/women’s rights etc there was a curious silence and, in some cases, ambivalence regarding the right to abortion.
Nic
September 12, 2008 at 10:45 am“back then, unless a song title featured the words ‘war’ or ’system’ (or even better; BOTH) you could safely take it to be an anti-vivisection song”
haha, spot on Chris…
🙂
Your point regarding Feminism / Women’s Rights and abortion is very interesting: I wonder if the bands felt that they didn’t have the ‘right’ to speak on behalf of women? Or perhaps the nature of Feminist politics was slightly beyond many groups? Or perhaps they just didn’t care that much?
Napalm Death addressed the issue of unwanted pregnancy/abortion/ adoption/child abuse in a song which appeared on the first 2 demos in 1982…
gerard
September 15, 2008 at 1:34 am“I was always a bit ambivalent about including ‘Your Legal Slaughter’ on this comp as it was an anti-abortion song IIRC. However I never got any negative feedback about it so maybe nobody even noticed??”
I don’t think it was an anti-abortion song Chris. As I remember (from vocalist Claire, who I was proud to have singing on the first FITD record) , it was something to do with mongol baby killings, though I’m afraid I don’t remember the context, or the detail. I do remember a lot of misundersanding and gossip at the time.
But I’ve got to ask – and perhaps provocatively is the best way to stir an interesting conversation – someone to explain how come so many of the broad left / anarchos (esp. vegetarians) believe in the sanctity of animal life but not human life?
I know it’s a complicated issue, but I never understood how “the left” found it so black and white..
alistairliv
September 15, 2008 at 8:25 amWhat about “Bodies” ?
Dragged on a table in factory
Illegitimate place to be
In a packet in a lavatory
Die little baby screaming
Body screaming fucking bloody mess
Not an animal
It’s an abortion
Chris
September 15, 2008 at 1:09 pmBut I’ve got to ask – and perhaps provocatively is the best way to stir an interesting conversation – someone to explain how come so many of the broad left / anarchos (esp. vegetarians) believe in the sanctity of animal life but not human life?
I know it’s a complicated issue, but I never understood how “the left” found it so black and white..
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Errr…surely because it’s NOT a complicated issue. It is for the woman having the child to make the decision whether they want to have it or not. That is their concern and not something to be legislated about. About as fundamental and black & white an issue as I can think of.
Though I think perhaps the reason it was rarely addressed by bands is, where-as, for many, anti-vivisection/meat-eating etc could be debated with an almost knee-jerk response, abortion can provoke more emotive (and personal) reactions.
NB: actually it was Mr Burnett who suggested the TBL song was ‘anti abortion’, i’d just cut&pasted his comment onto the start of mine (which does get confusing, Penguin or Al…is there nothing that can be done about that, by the way? perhaps some way of denoting ‘quotes’ being taken from prior postings?)
gerard
September 15, 2008 at 10:12 pmOn abortion, one area that I would suggest isn’t black and white is the cut-off time. Isn’t it the case now that women are still allowed the ‘choice’ to ‘abort’ at a stage where improved technology can sometimes keep premature babies alive?
On the web site / quotes issue there isn’t much that can be done as this is a blog and isn’t really designed for these kind of mass debates (see what I did there?). The idea of a separate forum has been discussed and, as far as I know, dismissed by Tony & Penguin.
Jim V
September 15, 2008 at 11:38 pmSo the doctors who can save premature baby’s should… but the doctors who aid in vitro fertilization should not ..Where does God stand ?
should science enable or disable life?
chris
September 16, 2008 at 11:30 amI would have thought the ‘cut off time’ like all other issues surrounding the matter was simply and inalienably up to the woman in question. And not a matter to be decided by or the (invariably male) medical boards, legislature or even clerics who traditionally influence such implementations.
John No Last Name
September 17, 2008 at 6:16 amI’m with Chris on this, even if it was my kid it would be entirely up to the sheep sorry woman that had to bear and give birth to the little monster and I’d put the cut off time at about 15 years after it’s first birthday.
Graham Burnett
September 17, 2008 at 11:45 amI sent an email out on various networks but may have missed some of the old maties on here, but I’ve got a book launch at Housmans on Friday evening – be good to see any ole faces from back in the zine days!
You are cordially invited to the launch of the second edition of
‘PERMACULTURE: A BEGINNERS GUIDE’ written and illustrated by Graham
Burnett on Friday 19th September, 7pm onwards at The Reading Rooms,
Housmans Bookshop, 5 Caledonian Road, King Cross, London N1 9DX (5
minutes walk from Kings Cross station)
“We live in challenging times. Peak oil has made us aware that many of
the resources we depend upon are limited; rivers are running dry;
deforestation continues at an alarming rate; and we are beginning to
experience the effects of climate change.
Our future need not be full of doom and gloom. There is indeed a way
forward, and that way is exciting! Permaculture offers us the chance to
create a low energy sustainable society, where, through careful design,
and with a new awareness, we can begin to solve and maybe even undo some
of the problems we have caused.
Everything I have come to understand about the principles of
permaculture is summed up in this wonderfully readable and accessible book.”
> From the forward by Brigit Strawbridge of BBC TV’s ‘Its Not Easy Being
Green’.
What is Permaculture? Why do we need Permaculture? What are Permaculture
ethics and the principles of working with nature’s patterns? What are
the basics of the Permaculture design process? What are concepts such as
zones, sectors, edge, stacking and succession, and how they can work for
us? How can you use Permaculture practically in your life, home, garden,
land or community, whatever your situation?
An experienced permaculture practioner, designer and teacher, Graham
Burnett will be providing all the answers. His the latest edition of his
book on the subject, which includes a forward writen, ‘Permaculture, a
Beginners Guide’ will encourage you to apply its ethics and principles
of sustainability, and working with rather than against nature, to your
land (whether it’s a windowbox or a 1000-hectare farm), your community
and your life.
For more information see http://www.spiralseed.co.uk/flyer
Stewart
September 17, 2008 at 7:44 pmJohnnolastname – LOL! 🙂
Graham Burnett
September 18, 2008 at 1:15 amBit uncomfortable with your use of the word ‘sheep’ there john, is that a refernce to women in general, women who become pregnant and regret it for whatever reason, or am i just too ‘political correctness gone mad’ to call you on that one in this post modernist climate??
John No Last Name
September 18, 2008 at 6:16 amNo was a reference to sheep, cute furry animals that say bah, and it was a joke…(kind of) and yes for you to think that you are waaaay too politically corect.
Tony Puppy
September 22, 2008 at 12:31 pmNow now John NLN.
Graham, tell more about putting these comps together, and is there any more Train Fares stuff available for putting on here?
And Stewart, sorry I didn’t realise you were THE Stewart on Sunday. I’ve been enjoying your posts on here a lot. and yourvideo work on flipnows youtube site.
John No Last Name
September 22, 2008 at 4:55 pmsorry I must apologize, everyone knows sheep are wooly not furry! What was I thinking
Stewart
September 22, 2008 at 5:42 pmTony – That’s very kind of you, but I wasn’t there on Sunday!!!! I was walking the Malvern Hills with my dog, Amber. Is somebody impersonating me already?!?!?!?!?!? They do say we all have a doppelganger, but I’m not sure I’m ready for that yet…
And what video work on flipnow’s youtube site! Lol! I do have two videos uploaded – one of Huntingdon Street which you’ve already seen and one of Linton Kwesi Johnson which I didn’t do but thieved from somewhere or other! Flipnow is Phil, so fair enough, but I’m pretty sure HE’S not impersonating me (but I’m going to check now anyway)… 🙂
Penguin • Post Author •
September 22, 2008 at 6:01 pmStewart, please forgive Tony our lovable leader, he is very old and senile and some times gets confused. We love him anyway but he is at that age where a blanket covering his legs anytime of the day is no longer an optional fashion statement 😉 oh it was saturday not sunday Tony x
Tony Puppy
September 22, 2008 at 6:12 pmPhil introduced someone as Stewart.
I put two and two together and made 5 as usual, thinking later it must have been the stewart who put the huntingdon street video up on phil’s youtube site.
It was Saturday was it? That explains a few things.
Penguin • Post Author •
September 22, 2008 at 6:19 pmNever change Tony, never ever change.
btw there are some photos up in the gallery under KYPP summer picnic where absolutely NO Stewarts are mentioned!.
Stewart
September 22, 2008 at 6:42 pmFab pix! And the blankets on show look warm, comfortable AND obviously sourced from a Fair Trade producer for the more confused yet ethically aware senior members of our community… 😉
Tony Puppy
September 22, 2008 at 8:12 pmLooking at the pix I realise a few things: one it was Simon not stewart Phil introduced, two I didn’t recognise Tinsel at the time (sorry Tinsel) and three I see it carried on into the pub where Mark Mob made an appearance.
I was long gone by pub time, I was long gone by the time these photos were taken.
Stewart
September 22, 2008 at 8:50 pm*pats Tony condescendingly on the head*
(yes, I do mean ‘condescendingly’)
Phil R
September 23, 2008 at 8:50 amTony…Ive got some ginko if you you would like to try some.
Its tuesday and ive still got a hangover…
Graham Burnett
May 5, 2012 at 7:35 pmResponding to your question 4 years later Penguin, Paul Brown of The Train Fares has just started a Train Fares Facebook group, so hopefully there will be plenty more TF tracks made available soon!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/105993069538186/106296876174472/?ref=notif¬if_t=group_activity
Graham Burnett
May 5, 2012 at 11:12 pmHi Penguin – these files don’t seem to be available any more – any chance you could check it out? Cheers!
Penguin • Post Author •
May 6, 2012 at 1:17 amOK Graham, it’s only the one link luckly, I have just got back so will sort the bad link out in the morning. I still got everything backed up on CDRs so don’t worry.
Penguin • Post Author •
May 6, 2012 at 10:47 amDone now Graham.