Author’s history:
Baron Von Zubb A.K.A Rich Kid A.K.A Jake Heretic’s parents hailed from Stepney but by the time he was born they’d left that all behind and joined the ranks of northwest London’s middle classes. Nice, this rather bored our Baron so after being expelled from school, squatting, punk rock anarchism, heroin and general delinquency as chronicled in the book, Baron went to Asia for several years. There he worked as a small time smuggler, a tailors tout, a film extra and drug dealer.
He has traveled overland to Asia 3 times, smoking opium and drinking alcohol in the Ayatollahs Iran, visited the closed area in Pakistan that is now home to enemy number one Mr. Bin Laden and spent 3 months at The King of Thailand’s pleasure in Klong Prem jail.
He’s lived for months under trees on beaches and swam in the planets cleanest jungle streams in India and Malaysia
His long suffering partner Kay and him organized and actualized a small relief project in the immediate aftermath of Sri Lankas tsunami.
They now live in Brighton, have two nieces and a nephew to keep them sane, are trying to be middle aged and eat masalla dosa weekly.
They visit Asia every winter.
Synopsis:
Here’s some extracts from the unpublished novel ‘The Joys of Work’, by Baron Von Zubb; the story of one kids journey from a nullifying suburban background to the revolutionary barricades of post Thatcherite Britain.
Via getting expelled from school, punk rock, squatting drugs, crime, autonomist politics, and the 1981 summer uprisings in Britain’s inner cities, the book chronicles an alternate history of the times.
Written as I travelled in Asia in the mid 1980’s, it was intended to be the first in a trilogy of books, the following two postulating alternate futures, ironically thanks to global warming, based on environmental and societal collapse.
My nomadic lifestyle meant that too many copies just got lost on the way so along with the rejections of ‘The Joys of Work’.
I called it a day.
Thanks to Mickey Penguin and all The K.Y.P.P. crew for putting this up.
The following books are published, recommended and available:
A.K.A. Martin Wright: Anti Fascist Action street fights in London and elsewhere during the 1970’s > ISBN 094898435X
A.K.A Daniel Wright: Thieving, drug taking, homelessness in London, true account of Martin Wrights (above) deceased brother > ISBN 1871593212
A.K.A. Bob from Blood And Roses: Early punk days in Australia, thieving, drug taking, homelessness in London, true account by Bob Short (not deceased, surprising if you read it!) > ISBN 9780975825846
A.K.A. Nick from Rudimentary Peni: Semi autobiography, shyness and fragile ego, punk, depression > ISBN 0952574403
A.K.A. Sian from The Lost Cherries / Blyth Power: Squatting in Brixton, gigs, crusties, lost loves, Tinsel and even ‘Mickey Penguin’ is mentioned a couple of times in this book > ISBN 1412026814
A genuine KYPP success story. Exactly six months after uploading this KYPP post. Jake finally gets these writings into print form. Go get it from lulu.com or alternative bookshops > ISBN 9781409245964
baronvonzubb
December 15, 2008 at 11:49 amJNLM. Absolutely spot on about King Johnny / Crass.
Nic
December 15, 2008 at 3:29 pmPerhaps Crass became the object of a cult-like devotion from a (minority) of their fans because they presented (and represented) a potential for another mode of living in an era which desperately desired such an opening, but received little to sustain it from the creativity of other musicians whose music promoted a broad acceptance of the status quo (tacit or otherwise)?
It may be possible to contend that the Beatles were subject to a much more beatific veneration by a statistically larger proportion of their fans (witness the increasing popularity of the ‘Hippie Trail’ after the Beatles’ guru visits), and that the same thing occurred to a large extent with Lydon…It’s certainly true that people may not have been concerned with what Lydon ate, but actually engaging with issues related to the world outside was never the focus of his narcissistic ego-boosting…
What many of his fans were concerned with was emulation and mimicry (almost to the point of possession) of the persona Lydon had created, which inevitably included the adoption (partial or otherwise) of the nihilistic Libertarian Conservatism which characterises his pronouncements…
Lydon is depressingly predictable (as is the music he’s made for the last few decades), and it would be nice if he broke the mould once in a while….
Having said that, I hadn’t even thought about him in over 28 years (apart from wishing I could get instrumental versions of the PiL albums without his inept whining) until he started advertising butter…
Anyway – what’s this got to do with the Middle East?
🙂
andus
December 15, 2008 at 5:48 pmWhat the Sex Pistols toured the Middle East, well I never….
I think Crass broke the mould several times, first with Penis Envy and then with Yes Sir I Will, and finally with Acts of Love.. If you played Acts of Love followed by Stations Of The Crass to a person who had never heard them before they would think they were different bands, do the same with PIL and the Sex Pistols and most people would not be fooled, mainly due to Rotten’s vocals. I loved the Sex pistols and PIL were pretty good but as for Lydon himself, I thought he was an arrogant egotistic little child who was full of himself.
John No Last Name
December 15, 2008 at 5:50 pmnice one Nic, that was hilarious! you were kidding right?
Nic
December 15, 2008 at 6:22 pmI wish I was, John, I wish I was…
Ian S
December 15, 2008 at 11:35 pm“Having said that, I hadn’t even thought about him in over 28 years (apart from wishing I could get instrumental versions of the PiL albums without his inept whining) until he started advertising butter…”
Surely they should have got Marlon Brando to do the butter adverts while he was still alive.
andus: “but, say an anarchist revolution did happen, how long would it be before someone else started setting themselves up as the goverment.”
Probably not very long, I think you are right.
Graham Burnett
December 16, 2008 at 10:25 amI’m just re-reading Ursula LeGuin’s ‘The Dispossessed’, which in part explores how even in an ostensibly ‘anarchist’ society hierarchies and ‘unseen’ power structures are able to evolve. There was also some anarcho-feminist tract written by Jo Freeman (I think) in the 70s called ‘the Tyranny of Structurelessness’ which explored this issue, although it was a long time ago that I read this.
Nic
December 16, 2008 at 12:33 pmI have to agree with the earlier posts…
My experience of ‘anarchist’ groupings is that there always comes a point when certain people begin to exert their desire to control others. before too long, the hierarchical structures start to appear and people begin to use others as scapegoats…
I sometimes wondered if this need to jockey for power was particularly pertinent inside minority and ‘outsider’ groupings because the people involved were so desperate: in their desperation to change the world in the face of a seemingly implacable structure, they begin to look for easy ways to enact that ‘change’, and one of those ways is to bully others into following a certain path…
I’ve never been a ‘Joiner’ so it all seeemed somewhat strange to me…
The question of whether this will always be the case (that it is a natural mode for humans) or whether people are working from a position informed by years of conditioning (and the following question of the ethics of re-conditioning people to think outside of this conditioning) is another thing altogether…
Nic
December 16, 2008 at 12:55 pmIt’s been a long, long time since I read ‘The Dispossessed’, Graham…
I remember that it seemed to be mentioned a great deal at the end of the 1970s, and was quite a hit within the ‘counterculture’…
Graham – what do you think about the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis?
For me, the idea that the use of language shapes and influences thought is very pertinent (following – as it does – after the writings of Wittgenstein, Lacan, Burroughs, Kristeva and Zerzan), despite the critique of this concept from the ‘universalist’ theoreticians…
but – in conversations elsewhere – other people have stated they feel that an analysis of the use of language is irrelevant to “the struggle” (whatever that is!)…
If I remember correctly, there was a group called The Dispossessed in the early 1980’s who were one of the satellite groups around Fuck Off Wreckords and Street Level Studios…
Ian S
December 16, 2008 at 1:05 pmNic: some of those problems stem from the nature of big cities like London compared to smaller cities and towns.
London allows people to become rootless and to jettison family and neighbourhood ties. Sometimes there may well be good reasons to do so. But it also means you and a few like-minded souls can form a little world all of your own.
You can then hatch or adopt all sorts of ideas or strike various attitudes whose main function is to win you kudos in the eyes of your fellows. My ideas are tougher than yours! You’re just a liberal! And so on and so on.
At the same time you can cut yourself off from the wider world and in particular from the many people who’d tell you that your ideas are stupid, impractical or pointless.
Also, London’s colossal indifference and neutrality encourages the adoption of attention-seeking habits. It’s like if you chuck a pebble down a well. If you hear a splash, then you’re satisfied. But if you hear nothing in response, then the temptation is to find bigger and bigger objects to drop.
But outside London, anarchist groups often seemed more constructive. For example, the Bradford 1-in-12 Club, or the Glasgow anarchists, who set up a community printshop, raised a lot of money for striking miners in Ayrshire, and played a big part in the anti-Poll Tax campaign in Scotland.
Mike Diboll
December 16, 2008 at 2:53 pmAll this has come a long way from a discussion of Jake’s book!
For my part — although I now repudiate nearly all of what I used to “stand for” — I think personal recollections of that time and that way or life are valuable and relevant today, for all manner of reasons, and would make an interesting and valuable contribution to contemporary literature. Perhaps this could include highlight’s of Jake’s book, rewritten from a 2009 perspective?
I would therefore support the compilation of some sort of anthology of stories, anecdotes, poems, artworks &ct to do with (although not necessarily from) “that time”. In fact, not directly from “that time” at all, since I think what is special here is the way those times are remembered by different people after the passage of decades, what is unique is how something which in its own terms was pretty extreme has effected lives and perceptions over a quarter century later.
I’d certainly like to contribute something to it, and would also be interested in supporting it in other ways, through providing editorial or proof-reading support, for instance, of helping find a publisher.
A wide range of “voices” would be interesting too: looking at this web-page, for instance, there are those of us who have moved on and are very critical of how we lived and what we believed (or affected to). On the other hand there are those who are still “faithful” (more or less, if that’s the right word) to the old causes. Then there are people whose views are somewhere in-between. All this is as to be expected after the passage of nearly 30 years, and including this diversity would help make the compilation a relevant, realistic exercise in “life-writing.”
Mike Diboll
December 16, 2008 at 3:30 pmRe the other stuff, I still see government as an evil, but as a necessary evil, much perhaps as the US Founding Fathers did (one can be a lot worse than a “libertarian conservative”).
My anarcho years still have their influence on me from the point of view of attitude in my distrust of politics and politicians. For example, I called Blair what he was, and in the mainstream media, long before it became fashionable to do so, see for instance my comment piece “Il Duce of Downing Street” in The Times, 6th August 1999, and my contribution “Democracy Direct” to the 2000 book “The Rape of the Constitution?”: http://www.imprint.co.uk/
That said, I now think anarchism itself, and all its anarcho-variants, are predicated upon the deeply flawed Enlightenment thesis of the inherent goodness and perfectibility of Man: the 230 years of history subsequent to the French Revolution ought to give the lie to this overly optimistic assumption, but it still appeals to the young, and those who would manipulate them. The Enlightenment critics of revolution (violent, passive, or otherwise) now interest me greatly, I’m thinking of Edmund Burke and Dr. Johnson. In matters of religion and politics I’m now quite close to the mature T.S. Eliot. So, quite a journey, then!
The Pistols vs. Crass argument bores me. It’s like two old farts in a pub arguing about racehorses that died 30 years ago. Like I said, if I like any music from that time now its the Power Pop-ish stuff (including The Jam, Sam). In fact, I always liked it all along, but the posturing and ideology got in the way of honesty.
What I would say is that I think the whole “fan” thing is dangerous: let’s not forget the etymological root of “fan’ in “fanatic”. A fan doesn’t think, a fan follows; it doesn’t matter of you’re an Elvis or a Beatles fan, a Pistols, Clash or Crass one, or a fan of Robbie Williams, Kylie Minogue, MUFC, Formular 1 racing, Adolf Hitler or Tony Blair. 66a was part of my Crass deprogramming, but I probably went too far in other ways!
What was so interesting about 66a was how little bands, fans and the rest of it had to do with what we were about. I can’t even remember going to a gig during that time, but I suppose I must have done. I remember the early months there, before Class A took too strong a hold, as being very creative. We were quite into this neo-Beatnik thing, which had we not been too out of it to promote ourselves properly might actually have got us somewhere. The City Limits crowd got hold of a similar idea a few years later, but nothing much came of it. Probably they didn’t want to give up the day job.
Sapir-Whorf is interesting to teach, especially here in the Middle East where religious literalism has such a hold on how people think. The idea that language “shapes and influences thought” is a commonplace that oughtn’t require a philosopher or a linguist to point out. But S-W goes much further, to the point that it becomes yet another form of determinism “linguistic determinism” — still that old search for simple, one-cause solutions to human complexity. Re Lacan and Kristeva, pass the sick bucket!
Ian’s right about the big city, and even more the cyber-world we’re currently playing with. I love the big city, but perhaps when (if) I retire it’ll be to a cottage on a Sicilian mountain, or something!
joihng
December 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm“You can then hatch or adopt all sorts of ideas or strike various attitudes whose main function is to win you kudos in the eyes of your fellows. My ideas are tougher than yours! You’re just a liberal! And so on and so on.”
how true,this reminds me of what became of the animal rights movement here in england in the mid 80’s,some people seemed to be always wanting to out do others ,go one better and trying to prove they were the big activist type.
i’m thinking specifically of the unilever fiasco,demo then trial in the mid 1980’s,a large group of people walking thru a housing estate with balaclavas over their faces carrying crowbars and baseball bats on the way to the unilever property in broad daylight.Then later carrying out a serious amount of damage to the place,the whole day was not very well thought out really,then wondering how the police managed to be on the scene so quickly.a lot of people went to prison for it when it could have been avoided.
i stopped going on animal rights demos not long after this.
Nic
December 16, 2008 at 3:49 pmI can really see what you mean, Ian: London (like pretty much all capitals) is almost a country of its own…and its ‘otherness’ attracts all kinds of people, including those who are rootless and seeking ways to both belong and to empower the ego through subjugation…It’s a Charles Manson world…
Yeah, that ‘Trying Really Hard’ feeling really comes through in London (where people go out of their way to seem to be ‘important’)…always amusing…I’m been glad that I have never had to spend any long period of time in that kind of mindset…
The activism and social groupings in the provinces have certainly seemed a little more – for want of a better word – genuine, although they have their own issues as well…I wonder if they seem a little more genuine because they are – in a sense – closer to a notion of (however abstract) of community…
Nic
December 16, 2008 at 4:11 pm‘Anarchism’ is quite probably a little too ‘optimistic’ (particularly in the face of the weight of history) and certainly betrays its own origins in the Enlightenment…however, it will still be popular with those people whose natural inclination is towards a benevolent view of humanity (which isn’t purely the preserve of “the young and those who would manipulate them” Mike – while I admire the crass pomp of the declamation, it’s not exactly accurate)…
For me personally, I can’t say I have ever been an ‘Anarchist’: my own perspective oscillates somewhere between shifting co-ordinates in the middle ground…
The ‘Pistols vs Crass argument’ is indeed boring: I wish John wouldn’t keep bringing it up… 😉
Keep on enjoying the ‘Power Pop’…particularly as you didn’t get the chance to truly enjoy it the first time around (although that was your own fault, if I’ve read correctly: that’ll teach you to put “posturing and ideology” in the way of “honesty”)…
Not keen on Lacan and Kristeva, eh Mike?
🙂
(I wouldn’t particuarly say I was an advocate of their positions or an acolyte of their writing: I mentioned them as they exist within a continuum of writings which relate to an exploration of the use and function of language – one which doesn’t automatically lead to a determinist position)…
Mike Diboll
December 16, 2008 at 4:32 pm“Yeah, that ‘Trying Really Hard’ feeling really comes through in London”
Sapir believed in the “Eskimos have a 100 words for snow” argument (a myth in fact); he should have chosen Islington, where today they have 100 words for “bread” (an that ain’t no myth!) T’wern’t like that in my young day. . . .
Sorry for the hyperbole, Nic, but there’s more than a grain of truth beneath the exaggeration.
My considered view is close to that of the Catholics, that people are intrinsically good, nevertheless they incline to evil and are therefore not perfectible in the ways the anarchists and others imagine. Mature politics recognizes this (hyberbole again!)
My problem is Lacan, Kristeva et al, Freud too, is with their pseudo-scientific architecture.
Nic
December 16, 2008 at 5:13 pmI appreciate what you’re saying Mike, although I’m inclined to be wary of any mention of ‘truth’ 😉
Your view seems fairly close to Plato (albeit without the class overtones of the Philosopher Kings): government as a form of containment, as a check of excess…
Do you feel there is no room for further development? After all, we’ve only been here a while and haven’t had much time to ‘mature’…
I can agree too about the ‘pseudo-scientific architecture’ – academics, eh? Whadda ya suppost ta do wid ’em?
😉
Graham Burnett
December 16, 2008 at 5:57 pmSo no free ‘Please fuck the system now’ stickers with your latest book then Mike 😉
Sam
December 16, 2008 at 5:58 pmIt’s important to remember that the period we’re talking about was 8 or 9 years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Despite us being opposed to its totalitarianism, it was still a left wing social experiment that had perservered for 60 years. I think much left wing utopianism evaporated with its collapse. And it is interesting to note how people growing up in such a regime still aspire toward personal and financial competition. It was common to speak with people who believed everything we were told regarding life in the eastern block was a conspiracy.
baronvonzubb
December 16, 2008 at 7:00 pmIf everyone was being so dishonest and inauthentic in those days then it was all a waste of time. Where was the fun in that?
But as for London. The trying too hard bit is so true.
Little people with big egos trying to be noticed.
But the other side of it is, that because of it, big cities produce ideas, particularly cultural ideas.
Mike Diboll
December 16, 2008 at 10:55 pmJake: none of it was a “waste of time”, no, no, no. I really think there is something important and valuable in our stories. But to get to what is valuable, we must strip away the bullshit to arrive at what’s real. We find a similar idea in most mystical systems.
The bullshit is in onion-like layers. My last comment about “dishonesty” really concerned taste in music and bands. Most, if not all of us had real tastes that had become hidden beneath layers of ideological correctness and crap. But this is the least important aspect of “dishonesty” and “inauthenticity”.
Some of the politics was probably affected and therefore dishonest and inauthentic, but by no means all. Often, denial and self-delusion were there (which is psychologically, historically and culturally more interesting), along with inexperience and naievity (which are not). This is all to do with who we were or thought we were at a particular time and place.
But beneath all that, the gold amid the base-metal, is a real moral outrage at the fucked-upness of the world, that we expressed, fervently, honestly, in the best way we knew how. For all its limitations, this, and our reaction to our inevitable disappointments through recourse to ideology, drugs, &ct, is a story well worth telling. The journey through life, the quest for knowledge of self and others, the most human and most real of all stories.
Nic: I believe there is a “truth”, beyond time, beyond space, but it is ineffable and incapable of unambiguous expression in language, though knowable in other ways.
What to do with academics? Well, Pol Pot and others would have had them shot. My more modest proposal is that they (we?) wean themselves from the cult of abstraction (I’m hardly innocent in this regard), and focus instead on what actual people did and said at particular times an places (“historical junctures”, as the lefty historians would have it). Hence my concern that our experiences, and our reflection thereon, don’t go by the wayside. Hence my interest in Jake’s book.
Graham: I think not!
Sam: absolutely, I remember part of my garb circa 66a being an authentic red ‘n’ black “Moscow Olympics 1980” t-shirt; okay, I’d splattered it with paint and penned obscenities over it, but the nostalgia for what might have been was still there, and what was Kronstadt but an argument (with bullets) about how best to procede. Hence my “oh really?” response to Fukayama’s silly ideological “End of History” abstraction in the early 1990s. Hence even now a muted enthusiasm for “the Idea that is Russia”.
Still, “conspiracy” notwithstanding, this “left wing social experiment” left the world knee-deep in corpses, did it not? Those of us who are ex- (ultra-) lefties like to think we’re excused from the worst of history by the recourse to economic, sociological and psychological abstractions around the “perfectibility of man”, but not so.
The Nazi-Fascist right also believed in the same, except that their terms of reference were different: eugenics, the Master Race, Strength though Joy, the Triumph of the Will. The pile of corpses still stinks the same. Before I’m accused of sounding anarcho-, I’d better add that the anarcho- pile of corpses is smaller only because they were less successful in their vision of “perfectibility”.
Sam
December 16, 2008 at 11:13 pmI agree with you Mike that extremes of left and right tend to look the same. Through teaching art history for 10 years to kids who often couldn’t care less, it’s a fact that most utopianist modernism is still lost on a majority of the population over a hundred years after the fact. Abstract Expressionism for example, has failed to trickle down to the ‘average’ person. When I went to art school there were still very sharp divisions between ‘high’ and ‘low’ art. We were supposed to be blissfully unnaffected by the consumerist world we’d all grown up within. It’s a tough one though. If you accept human nature for what it is do you just cater for that and lose any bold failures that may be thrown up by extremist philosophies? We all (I imagine) went to comprehensive schools. How was the experience? Crap? Nice idea but the reality was that everyone recieved a mediocre education. My younger brother went to grammar school and recieved a pretty good one.
Mike
December 17, 2008 at 12:01 am“I agree with you Mike that extremes of left and right tend to look the same.”
Omelettes and eggs. . . .
“If you accept human nature for what it is do you just cater for that and lose any bold failures that may be thrown up by extremist philosophies?”
Certainly not, Sam. The experiment, and the self-discovery it entails, is everything. Just so long as the experiment doesn’t involve clambering over piles of corpses, which in Art it generally does not.
“Abstract Expressionism for example, has failed to trickle down to the ‘average’ person.”
Ditto Eliotic Modernism in Literature. The po-mo cliche is thrown about by all and sundry who don’t even know what “mo” is/was, who understand nothing about the Modernists’ necessary revolt against Romanticism, and who have zero “historical sense”.
Today as I was driving I was listening to “Europe Today” on the BBC World Service. The presenter, Audrey Carvell, was doing a feature on a recent petition by Turkish academics to get the Turkish to ‘fess up to the Armenian genocide. “But” she asked a political scientist signatory “it all happened more then ninety years ago, what’s the point in digging up the past?”
I nearly hit the radio: the Nazi Holocaust happened sixty-odd years ago, so in less than thirty years it’ll be okay to forget it, right?
“We all (I imagine) went to comprehensive schools. How was the experience?”
Mine was utter shite. Back in my radical days I remember fuming at a quote from Enoch Powell along the lines of “whoso hasn’t studied Greek and Latin has any right to consider himself educated”; I saw it as the ultimate elitist slur on the great unwashed who’d struggled up into literacy over the past few generations.
I still see it as an extreme statement, but now understand a kind of truth in it, a truth linked to “historical sense.” I’m too busy these days to bother with Greek, but in my 40s I had a fair old crack at learning Latin, just so Enoch can put it in his pipe and smoke it. Perhaps now a purgatorial Powell might consider Dr. Diboll at least half educated?
My point is that ignorance is not bliss, and if we don’t strive to try to know, we’re lost. It doesn’t have to be Art, or Literature, or Languages, the University of Life might do, and ultimately the strive to know is perhaps futile, but it’s in the striving that we become.
Consumerism has all but destroyed this in the West, in some ways it’s more rewarding teaching out here in the Middle East.
Again here in willful ignorance is an area in which we were a “vanguard”: 1970s state schooling may have been crap, but an otherwise excellent higher education was freely (literally freely) available to us at that time. We chose to reject it out of arrogance, or ideological “purity”, or because we thought that revolution or nuclear obliteration was just around the corner, or because we were simply too wasted. Where we led in willful ignorance the next generation followed without even a will. I generalize of course. . . .
2 a.m. local time, must abed (somethings never change)!
alistairliv
December 17, 2008 at 12:48 amFor what it is worth, I have just read “The enemy of nature -the end of capitalism or the end of the world?” by Joel Kovel (second edition,2007) which I found inspiring and an antidote to depression. I will write a review and post here…meanwhile here is link to google books samples of text.
AL Puppy
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=W-eavh4NQcwC&dq=the+enemy+of+nature&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=iqKfM8W70u&sig=elNyZV-M6boY1pbDqVz0Dv8RNtg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1
Jah Pork Pie
December 19, 2008 at 3:10 pmThe edited version of JOW is a little lighter: that’s to say we’ve made it a little less like a Shakespearean comedy.
By putting some jokes in.
Penguin • Post Author •
December 20, 2008 at 3:24 amSo is it available now Mr Plague Dog? I know it was coming soon…
baronvonzubb
December 23, 2008 at 2:13 amAvailable .
Send me your address and i’ll mail you one in the new year.
Jah Pork has turned it into a proper read.
AND its on myspace now too kids.
Might even creep its way into all this sites contribiuters ‘freinds’ list…
Penguin • Post Author •
December 23, 2008 at 4:41 amBVZ, ordered two copies from Lulu yesterday. I have two copies of the original here for me and Chris Low, so that’s four I bought now!!!
baronvonzubb
December 23, 2008 at 9:43 amYeah mate! I knew you already had a couple. Thats why I was goinna sort you out someink.
I havent got a copy yet so wanted to check it first.
You do have faith sir..
Penguin • Post Author •
January 4, 2009 at 3:57 pmHave emailed you personally Baron V Bonehead.
baronvonzubb
August 9, 2011 at 8:04 pmseems like this one is as relevent today as the country riots, as it was in ’81….
cheers j
Sam
May 3, 2012 at 6:04 amGood thread that. Night all.