John The Postman’s Psychedelic Rock ‘n’ Roll Five Skinners – Bent Records 1979

A Well Known Jewish Tune / Gloria

Senegal / Mahatma Ghandi’s Heartbreakers

A record with no artistic pretensions what so ever, more like, do bag loads of speed, get some booze in and have a laugh with the boys and see what comes out! No doubt various Not Sensibles and Fall members may have helped this recording get underway. The track Gloria I think has the ghost of Stirling Morrison playing a VU guitar line through it, and Senegal is certainly not Jeff Buckley but is great never the less.

John The Postman was infamous for hi-jacking the mic during early punk gigs (indeed the first ever punk gigs as we know them now outside London) in Manchester’s Lesser Free Trade Hall and Electric Circus and no doubt any other music venue supporting punk music of 1976. After a while he actually went from stealing the mic to actually being invited to perform in his own right, and of course some nutter paid for him to go into a studio for at least two LP’s in the late 1970’s. This being the second LP. The first LP I do not own, but would like to, is called ‘Purile’.

  1. luggy
    February 27, 2008 at 12:06 am


  2. Chris
    February 27, 2008 at 2:18 am

    weird…i was bidding on a copy of this on ebay just the other week.

    dunno if you’ve got it but another mad record i was thinking of just the other day was that “Afflicted Man’s Musica Box” – another of Andy Martin’s faves and clearly a big influence on the early Apostles sound. they did another single, i think called, ‘Whale Slaughter’ and I believe gay-skin icon Nicky Crane was an early member. Used to have that LP with the old ‘peppermint stripe’ paper-bag cover but swapped it for something else yonks ago. No doubt it’s worth a packet now. Sure I remember Andy saying they were part of some 70s junkie squat scene but don’t know anything more about them than that. Sure someone here will know a bit more.

  3. Chris
    February 27, 2008 at 2:42 am

    ah, it was “Afflicted man’s musical BAG” (was thinking of that United Dairies LP) but anyway, all the giblets (plus downloads I can’t get to work) are HERE:

    and here for info:

    good to see Third world War get a mantion. A band whose amazing LPs i thankfully DID keep hold of. Incredible stuff – all the more so when you think when they were recorded:

  4. Nic
    February 27, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Ah, I love the Afflicted Man!
    I’ve got all of the Afflicted Man’s records, Chris 🙂
    I didn’t know Andy was into him – but it makes total sense now that you’ve said it…

    The Afflicted Man was basically the nom-de-plume of a man named Steve Hall who was a musician, drug user and homeless person / squatter during the late 1970’s Hippy and Punk milieu in London…
    The group were originally called the Afflicted and then mutated into the Afflicted Man on the second album…
    I remember reading about him in Sounds music paper in 1981 where he described his music as ‘Hippy Punk’ and ‘Music for Glue Sniffers and Drop Outs’, and was pictured in a kilt, ripped bleached jeans, leather jacket and spiked blonde hair…All of this piqued my interest, which is when I started getting hold of his stuff…

    He released 3 singles and 2 LP’s, before his meisterwerk – the ‘Get Stoned Ezy’ 12″ by The Afflicted Man and High Speed….Recorded live to a 2-track in a community centre, it’s a 3 song acid freakout, heavy on the wah-wah and soloing – totally classic (and a total doss)…
    I found a bunch of copies of it in a clearance warehouse in Birmingham in 1987 (at 30p a go!), so I bought the whole lot and passed them all on the friends…

    The originals of the vinyl are highly sought after by record collectors now (funnily enough, the copies that do appear all seem to come from Germany), but a couple of years ago a bootleg double CD of everything by the Afflicted Man released was floating around (check ebay and the various online record distribution sites – you’ll find it)…

    After the Afflicted Man, he went on to play in The Accursed (from Gillingham, Kent?) who released a 1 single and 3 albums (and had bad rumours of NF affiliations floating around them) before their split in 1984 when Hall disappeared off the radar…

    He later converted to happy-clappy Christianity in the early 1990’s, and renounced all of his earlier music, moving on to do a band under the name Called who played Christian music and do ‘outreach’ work in prisons…

    By the way: the record you’re thinking of is his album ‘The Afflicted Man’s Musical Bag’ on Bonk Records (rather than the ‘An Afflicted Man’s Musica Box’ which is a ciompilation featuring artists like Nurse with Wound and AMM)…

    And – because I’m so nice – here is a link to a blog with a dl of everything that the Afflicted Man recorded:


  5. Nic
    February 27, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Penguin – do you have the Armed Force single (‘Popstar’ / ‘Attack’)?

    I have a copy, but I just can’t seem to find it around the house (I haven’t checked the records in the loft yet), so it would be nice to hear it again…

    The Liggers are a curious group too: I remember reading an interview with them in a fanzine back in 1980/1981 (?) and I’ve got their 2 tracks on the Manchester Musicians Collective compilations, but that’s it…

  6. chris
    February 27, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    weird, the other two messages i posted up last night, about the afflicted and also he glorious third world war seem to have disappeared… micky??

  7. chris
    February 27, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Nic, yes I saw that little feature in sounds too which was also what prompted me to get their LP (i remember my favourite songs being ‘hippy-skin’ and another one about glue-sniffing). funny to think how when you first got into punk you sometimes made record purchases solely on the basis of how ‘mental’ the band members looked in photos. (a bit disappointing in the case of ’shrink’ – or disorder hoho) i remember seeing a photo of ‘cheetah chrome’ of the Dead Boys in some smash-hits type mag (NOT sounds or nme) in what must have been 1980, looking ‘mental’ in a studded dog collar – not to mention unearthily porcine and hideous -and wrongly assuming he was in Chrome, leading one of my earlest ‘punk album’ purchases to be some rather bewildering synth acid rock. which i actually quite liked.

    but best of all regarding band photos, i remember me and my mates looking at the photos of Crass on the fold out of ’stations’ and being struck by how gaunt and pallid they looked. the reason for which,according to a more informed member of our party being that it was due to Crass “living in a commune” … “and communes are UNDER THE GROUND”

  8. Nic
    February 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Yes, how true Chris: the ‘look’ of a band WAS a really important factor in some ways – and it was always a bonus if the band looked ‘mental’: the sleazier, more decadent, more animal and crazed, the better…

    Disorder? Disappointing? Proof that xtc rots the brain! 😉
    Add Duffo to that list (although I quite like ‘Give Me Back Me Brain’)…

    Miles and I also used to buy records based purely on the sleeve design when we first got into music: for some time, we hadn’t worked out that you could actually ASK to LISTEN to records! That’s how I ended up with my first Throbbing Gristle LP (and some absolute stinkers like the fucking Vice Creems single)…

    I am ga-ga for some of the early Chrome releases: I only got turned on to them in 1985, but what a blast! Favourites will always be ‘Half Machine Lip Moves’ and ‘Alien Soundtracks’ (with ‘Third from the Sun’ and ‘Blood on the Moon’ coming in a close second)…
    Have you seen the Target Video release with the Chrome videos? Very low-tech but nice…

    Third World War? Classic!
    I seem to remember Andy and Dave doing a few World War Three covers (‘Preaching Violence’ and ‘A Little Bit of Urban Rock’) during their Academy 23 days – I think I still have a tape of that stuff somewhere…

  9. john
    February 27, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    ” the Armed Force single (’Popstar’ / ‘Attack’)?”
    weird i just got b side attack into mp3 ,popstar getting done in next few days.
    muppet worked at the main virgin store in manchester and his terraced house in moss side was rammed almost wall to wall with vinyl-perks of the job!
    a guy called cyril who was either some sort of floor manager or security in virgin was responsible for putting on gigs at the infamous ”mayflower’ club-a proper shithole falling to bits.
    actually saw crass first time in there.gig above though was a couple of years before me mum would let me stay out so late!
    believe john the postman is still a postie.
    nic-on the Manchester Musicians Collective compilations you have is there a track called confused by militia?was good mates with the singer mark’hazy’.also 2 of the other guys guitarist acy and the drummer flannel went on to play with another probably unheard of manchester band called the hoax.they had a drummer called mike joyce who left to join some band called the week he had big black sid vish like spikey hair next time i saw him he had a weird fringe and a totally different dress sense,maybe morrisey insisted on hime getting rid of the spikey hair and torn jeans?

  10. Nic
    February 27, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Thanks for the info, John: Armed Force were a mystery to me, apart from the fact that I somehow bought their single (I can’t think why I would have!) back in ‘ye olde days’ at the turn of the 80’s…
    It was always mysterious for that reason, but it’s nice to know some connecting facts…

    Can I get hold of the mp3’s?

    I have a couple of The Hoax singles!
    I’ve got the first and last ep – the ‘Only the Blind…’ ep and the ‘Blind Panic’ ep…
    “Pig Farm! – where they smash your head! Pig Farm! – where you wish you were dead!” (That single features your 2 mates!)
    Again, I bought them years ago (1981-ish), but their singles are VERY collectable now amongst record collectors…

    The track you mention (the Militia track) is on the ’10 from the Madhouse’ comp LP (which also features the Hoax and the Insane): again, you don;t see that one around very often…

  11. Nic
    February 27, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Chris – I just saw your other posts from the other night: the links dont work on the Afflicted man blog entry…
    However, if you scrolll down the page there and look in the comments, you will see 2 links to Sharebee that do work…

    Get the Third World War LP’s digitised, ya radge!

  12. john
    February 27, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Can I get hold of the mp3’s?

    sure thing,maybe penguin or admin here can send me your email or if penguin doesnt have it in his vaults to upload i could email it to him?
    waiting on a mate putting ‘popstar’ on to disc,hopefully next few days.always prefered ‘attack’ with the pretty vacant(played backward?) riff….”this is a song about the people that we hate…etc”
    no one i know has the hoax singles and two twelve inchers but out of the blue i found them on a blogger site here

    havent heard or seen the 10 from the madhouse album for half a lifetime,would like to get hold of the ‘militia’ track on mp3 if poss(hint hint):)
    enjoy the hoax stuff

  13. Nuzz
    February 27, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Yes indeed Nic, Third World War, would be good. I seem to remember one called Armagedion, but could be wrong, will have to check that link up there.

  14. Chris
    February 27, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    might be thinking of Third World War’s “ASCENSION day” Nuzz? really mental band – dunno if you’ve seen the lyrics but some of them make the Living Legends seem like Enya! I’ve still got their only two 7″ singles as well, but think they’re just album tracks. Yea, will try to get all their stuff copied and to Micky soon.

  15. Chris
    February 27, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    NIC, for some reason part 2 of the afflicted complete works download doesn’t work…any suggestions??

    PS: just been listening to The Intestines ‘New Recruit’ – i remember there was a cover of that on the first ND tape Miles sent me. Great track!

  16. Nic
    February 28, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Click here and try the megaupload link, Chris: it should work (I just tested it)…

    Ah, I love that Intestines single 🙂
    ‘New Recruit’: the only cover version we ever did (apart from a drums and vocals version of ‘Born to Die’ by MDC)…
    I still love that single: it’s got around a bit in recent years since it was comped on the ‘Killed by 7 Inch’ / ‘Killed by Death’ records…
    I wish I had their other single, but I never even managed to see a copy, let alone buy one…
    I was going to put a link on to their website, but it’s rubbish (broken links, etc)…I did find a website for their old record label about a year ago, but it’s down now…

    By the way, the version of ‘Urban Rock’ on the TWW single is a different recording (if I remember correctly)…

  17. chris
    February 28, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Yes, you’re right but it’s not half as good as the LP version.

    MDC? oh dear… i remember buyin this single on Crass records and actually thinking it was so crap I took it straight back to the shop and swapped it or something else.

    still, i havent heard that song you covered so maybe i’d have liked that.

    do you still have your single by the ‘clockwork criminals’? i remember that being quite weird – in fact bit like ‘come sunday’ – and wouldnt mind hearing it again. fuck knows what i did with my copy.

  18. Nic
    February 28, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    I don’t have that Clockwork Criminals single anymore (‘Young and Bold’, I believe), Chris…it vanshed somewhere along the way…
    It’s a shame as I’d like to hear it: I found a track on the ‘bootleg’ scene, but not the whole EP…
    Are you SURE it sounded like ‘Come Sunday’ (one of my faves)?

    You probably wouldn’t like the MDC as it’s rather thrash-y…
    Miles and I used to love them (though I tuned out of their sound in 1983 – heard enough by then and they started repeating themselves)…
    Obviously a drums and vocals version doesn’t give a real flavour of the song as they wrote it..hehehe… 😉
    It was our tribute to The Epsilons…

  19. chris
    February 28, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I remember thinking it kinda sounded like ‘come sunday’ at the time, or rather the guitars did as i’d never heard anything else that sounded like that at the time.

    Epsilons? the Auonomy centre band? sure Andy Martin taped me some of their stuff yonks ago too. Along with the glorious ‘Exhibit A’ (think thir demo – and -BEST version of ‘bollards’ is on that apostles/flack/heretics/primal choos tape i gave you on my bithday Micky. When you gonna get that gem up ya lazy good-for-nothing? 😉

  20. chris
    February 28, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    actually, didn’t you or miles give me live tape of the epsilons too? maybe with flack on the other side?

  21. Nic
    February 28, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Yes, The Epsilons was the name of D&V before they moved down from Sheffield to the smoke…
    I remember seeing a small column about them in Tony Medleycott’s Aftermath fanzine, so I wrote to them and got a live tape. We also got one from some guy down in Kent (Erith?) who had THE WORST handwriting in the world, but always seemed to have THE BEST selection of demos/live tapes by every band going…
    I think one tape was from St James’ church in Pentonville (?)…

    I always liked Flack because they seemed so inept and amateurish which appealed to my sensibilities…
    Again, Miles and I had a couple of livetapes (from the Autonomy Centre I think): I can’t remember too much about the songs now except that the Apostles did a cover of their song ‘1980’s’ and they had a song called ‘London’ that had a chorus of “And I get a short sharp shock – early morning, late at night”…
    Mark Gubb (Paroxysm Fear fanzine) was their drummer, wasn’t he?…

    I found a site for Exhibit A a while back, where Paul Platypus was planning to put all their stuff up..
    Wasn’t ‘Mike Finch’ the brainchild of Exhibit A?

    I NEED to hear that tape, Chris! I must have listened to it literally HUNDREDS of times when I was a nipper…
    I could have been building a den or setting fire to a shed, but instead I was listening to a rehearsal by the Heretics…
    Never f*cking right…
    *shakes head*

    I also NEED to hear a copy of the ‘Don’t Panic’ cassette by Walthamstow’s The Snails again – the one featuring the 13 year old vocalist (‘Mad Dog’ Muldoon)…

  22. chris
    February 28, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    haha…yes, that tape trading guy was called kev,wasn’t he? big jabba the hut style lump in a snorkel parka. remember we met him at the centro and he was glue sniffing?

    still see mitch of flack every now and again. he even did the sound at the astoria and ICA for a few gigs a band i was playing in did and it was only a few years later when i realised who he was (thanks to Micky)

    yes, must hunt out that Snails tape for you. Andy recorded everything they’d ever done on one of his crap old C120s. Weren’t they members of Terminal Disaster or am i getting mixed up with some other band? Sure i’ve still got a TD tape somewhere too. crap drawing of an atomic mushroom with a skull in the middle on the cover 🙂

  23. Nic
    February 28, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    HAHAAAA!!! That’s the man, Chris…Kev!!!
    And, yeah, he was at the Centro…
    How did you remember that?

    I think The Snails were concurrent with Terminal Disaster but didn’t share any members…although some of the members may have come together later on in Witchhunt / Tender Loving Care…
    I liked the first 2 tapes because the young kid and then Paul AZ (of A-Z fanzine, This Bitter Lesson and faction) both had really shit voices…and I’m a sucker for that kind of rubbish…

    “Crap drawing of an atomic mushroom with a skull in the middle on the cover”?
    SHIT! There goes the artwork for my next record! How the HELL did they manage to pre-empt me on that?

  24. Penguin
    Penguin • Post Author •
    February 28, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Chris baby, the rest of your tapes are still safe and will be uploaded soon except for the one mentioned above which I got £££ on ebay with, cheers.

  25. john
    February 28, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    thanks for the militia link nic,still cant fathom out how hazys vocal sounded more new york than broad lancashire?he was only 15 when he did that i think.
    heard heretics mentioned in this thread,wasnt that them pictured in toxic grafitti?i never heard any of their stuff and wondered what they sounded like?remember they looked scruffy as fuck in the tg fanzine almost like disorder looked on the back of their record.any heretics bootleg music knocking around on the net?sorry if this is going off topic!

  26. Chris
    February 28, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    john, i’ve got a few Heretics tracks from a comp that Andy Martin made up yonks ago that Micky will be putting up soon and funnily enough got an email off their bassist si who had seen this thread saying he’s got a few old practice tapes.

  27. john
    February 28, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    top,after 20+ years the mystery of the heretics will be solved for us lot too far north.we look forward…

  28. Penguin
    Penguin • Post Author •
    March 1, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    John, nice one, sticking this up on the Mob myspace site. Mark is in contact with the Hamsters still. Guy called Moet? Going under Sicknurse nowadays, find them in Mob myspace friends.

  29. john
    March 1, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    penguin,the hamsters were from denton i believe which is a mere stones throw from the old mayflower club,denton and reddish perry boys caused us visitors to the mayflower a great deal of fear,anxiety and usually a great deal of running.
    would be interesting if mark m has any memories of the advertised gig,did they actually get up here to play?
    not sure if i ever actually saw the hamsters ,possibly 1/2 years before i started to experience live punk gigs?
    will have to check myspace,although i still have never signed up.
    thanks for some great tunes fella.

  30. Penguin
    Penguin • Post Author •
    March 2, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Yeah, mark m (his moniker on this site) hopefully will answer the comment. Mark is from somewhere in or around Manchester originally.
    Big red side supporter. Perry boys, have not heard that expression for 25 plus years.

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