The Apostles / The Mob – London Musicians Collective, London, NW1 – 22/01/83

The Apostles – Erics Detachables / Skin Deep / Fucking Queer / Proletarian Autonomy / Pigs For Slaughter / Alienation

The Mob – Cry Of The Morning / Gates Of Hell / Raised In A Prison / Dance On You Fool / Our Life Our World / Witch Hunt / Slayed

Originally this material was released on cassette by Larry Peterson’s Cause For Concern label in 1983. Larry decided to put this cassette onto a vinyl format in a very small quantity in 1985.

Featuring The Apostles and The Mob, this audience quality recording is pretty good. The sets by the bands are performed quite well.

The gig itself was infamous for the sound guy on the night J.C. from Brougham Road Co-Op / squats, turning down Andy Martin, from The Apostles, vocal microphone during the song ‘Pigs For Slaughter’, a song dedicated to Ian Slaughter on the night, and a tribute to Ian’s fanzine at the time of the same name. J.C. claimed he did not want (what he considered) the ‘violent’ lyrics to this track going through his ‘Pacifist P.A’. The microphone was kept low in the live mix for the remainder of The Apostles set.

The Apostles on the night did not perform their full set, cutting a couple of tracks out of the set list, due to (what Andy Martin considered) ‘the hall being filled with an unappreciative audience and pacifist hippie tramps’. This incident was recorded via the artwork on the debut 7″ single by The Apostles released later on in 1983.

The Mob’s set was performed without incident.

  1. Nuzz
    June 5, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    I love the sound of the barking dogs in the background on this tape.

  2. Anok Jon
    Anok Jon
    June 6, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Ah yes, I love this release! I found one of the cassettes in a small record store in Southern California in the late 90’s, white tape in a cardboard sleeve. A very nice one to have in the collection and interesting story in the pigs for slaughter song, I always wondered why the mic volume changed here.

  3. Nic
    June 6, 2008 at 8:55 am

    The ‘Pacifist P.A.’ anecdote has always made me chuckle (whilst simultaneously respecting J.C.’s decision)…

    Larry certainly spent a lot of time on the sleeve, didn’t he…

  4. Chris
    June 6, 2008 at 11:25 am

    With so many old faces coming out of the woodwork here doesn’t ANYONE have any idea what Larry Peterson is up to these days or how he could be tracked down. Sure he’s done alright for himself and would love to see him again.
    Funnily enough i noticed quite a few of these LPs turn up on Ebay a few years ago (selling for around £40-£60 n’all!) along with the Throbbing Gristle LP he put out so either he’s still up to his old tricks (which I doubt as he’s have stuff infinately more profitable to re-press if he was) or someone else has been pressing these up.
    And incidentally, despite rumours i’ve subsequently read, whilst Larry didn’t consult Andy or Dave about releasing these recordings on vinyl, the cassette version (cover above) was most certainly released with their cooperation and consent as it was advertised on all the Apostles flyers at the time and it was Andy himself who sent me the copy I still have, whilst Andy was sharing a flat with Larry and Ian Slaughter off Essex Road.

  5. luggy
    June 14, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Posted a link here for Mark of Blyth Power doing Mob covers but it hasn’t showed up. Check it’s not lost somewhere as sometimes happens.

  6. Penguin
    Penguin • Post Author •
    June 14, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Nothing waiting for moderation Luggy so dont know what happened there.

  7. luggy
    June 14, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Cheers, I’ve tried a few times but it’s not having it.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to hear Blyth Power covering 5 Mob songs not very well:

    Google ‘Running Riot blog’
    Open first link
    Search there for ‘Blyth Power Mob’ & it will come up. Download link still works despite it being an old post.

  8. alistairliv
    June 14, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Luggy’s Blyth Power post was filed as spam. have unspammed it, see above

  9. larry peterson
    larry peterson
    June 23, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    I am alive, well balding & fat, married with a lovely wife & son, obsessed with gerry anderson & his creations, in fact I have an ebay shop selling his memorabilia & I can claim its the biggest in its field worldwide,I loved my time during that scene,& am surprised john apostle has become such a respected music producer, well was all very driven, I fell out of favour with andy martin a long while back maybe one day I will get my chance to explain! I always liked him, in fact I looked up to the old blighter

    thunderbirds are go
    p.s thanks to paul trew for telling me about this site

  10. simon
    June 23, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Hey fat baldy! ;-D Great to hear you are doing OK, with a family and all. It was only a matter of time before you appeared again. So how’s things? Still at DB Ltd?! You running the show yet?! Enjoyed my time there, lots of strange gutteral noises, Biriani’s and mountaineering exercises to retrieve a rare size in ladies wear!

    Be great to have a catch up…

  11. Graham Burnett
    Graham Burnett
    June 24, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Ha ha, appreciate the gerry anderson confession larry, one of the other forums apart from this one that I tend to spend unhealthy amounts of time on is Outpost gallifrey, the Dr Who chat site…

  12. John Shag one sheep and you're forever John the sheepshagger
    John Shag one sheep and you're forever John the sheepshagger
    June 24, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Hi Larry good to hear from you, hope you are doing well and erm Simon you used to go to do mountaineering exercises in a rare size of ladie’s wear? Really? Weird. I remember you being able to buy your ‘ladies wear’ straight off the racks with no problem. : )

  13. Simon
    June 24, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    John inflatable sheepshagger, it’s still a delicate subject, I only ever did it for a laugh and there were absolutely no cheap thrills at all, whatsoever, full stop – honest! I did look good in a ladies cashmere coat though!

    Now get back to the U S of A (if you haven’t already) and plan your next visit to blighty, where I will attempt to be, will try a bit harder next time, ahem, cough, apology etc, etc.


  14. Chris Low
    Chris Low
    June 25, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Hey Larry-baby,
    Great to know you’re still about. I even sent a postcard to your old address years ago in an effort to track you down.
    Sure Andy’s forgotten about everything. You’d have to be a nut-job to hold a grudge for that long over something as daft as that.
    Anyway, hope to carch up soon. Chris

  15. Andy Martin
    Andy Martin
    January 11, 2024 at 1:14 pm

    On another post / notice board I typed this message.

    “If anyone knows the current location / contact details of Larry Peterson, I would appreciate it. Recently we uploaded onto our Band Camp site a collection of all the EP’s + bonus tracks of The Apostles, a couple of which feature Larry on vocals so it would be nice to send him a free copy, assuming he wants one.”

    Now I see the post from Larry is dated 2008 but as it is now 2024…you see where I’m going with this? Larry, if you are still in the land of living, please feel free to contact me.

  16. Andy Martin
    Andy Martin
    January 11, 2024 at 1:21 pm

    PS With regard to me ‘falling out’ with people, this is inevitable. I severed virtually links with the punk scene when I departed from The Apostles in 1989 (a wise decision albeit one I should have made 4 or 5 years earlier) and flung myself into education, particularly in the sciences. By the end of the 1990s I discovered so many people from the early 80s scene brooded on nostalgia and appeared to act as if they really wished it could be 1985 again. Sod that! When I commenced working with Prager University, Turning Point USA and Chabad Conejo in the 2010s, everyone and their mother fell over themselves in their attempt to accuse me of all manner of heinous crimes. Yes, I became an ardent exponent of capitalism; yes, I rediscovered my Jewish faith and yes, I made no secret of my contempt for anarchism and my utter hatred of all forms of socialism. To some people (hello, Chris) that makes me ‘a supporter of the neo-nazi alt right’. Ye gods, when faced with such idiocy, is it any wonder I ‘fall out’ with people? Daft I call it.

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