Picture uploaded due to sudden surge of interest in this lady via the the Exploited post of 29 September 2008…!
Picture uploaded due to sudden surge of interest in this lady via the the Exploited post of 29 September 2008…!
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Penguin
October 6, 2008 at 6:10 pm>>ATV one of the best punk bands of all time, if not the best, they had guts as well, very few bands would have sung the songs they sung, especially the one about masturbation.<< Which brings us round full circle Andus
andus
October 6, 2008 at 6:15 pmHow do you mean?
Penguin
October 6, 2008 at 6:29 pmYou want me to spell it out or draw a diagram Andus old fruit?
Having a tug (as a youth) to Beki Bondage pictures a long long time ago.
I’m over her now!
andus
October 6, 2008 at 6:46 pmOh I see what you mean, I thought you were refering to ATV, not masterbation, full circle indeed, right, was Beki a sex object being exploited then or what ?Pplay it again sam.
We’ve gone from Beki Bondage to kids being caned at school – there is a link there which I’d prefer not to elucidate.
Graham Burnett
October 6, 2008 at 6:54 pmI always thought Anti Nowhere League were meant to be a joke band, I never even realised that some people seemed to take them seriously until a few years later. Wasn’t one of them dead posh and dated a school friend of lady Diana Spencer?
Graham Burnett
October 6, 2008 at 6:56 pmAgree ATV were a top notch band, very original and not afraid to push the definitions of what ‘punk’ meant, ie, Frank Zappa covers, the freeform stuff, turning into the Good Missionaries, etc
andus
October 6, 2008 at 7:03 pmThe anti nowhere league did do a lot of joke tracks, but have you heard the ballad of jj decay.
andus
October 6, 2008 at 7:05 pmWE ARE THE LEAGUE
Another boring night and I’m feeling pissed,
My heads fucked up and I’m in a mess
Too many drugs have made me high
I want to cause havoc, I want to die.
We are the League, with the extra man
We are the League, we are the anti band
So don’t you say you’re feeling bored
The League are here and we have scored
You criticise us, you say we’re shit,
but we’re up here and we’re doing it
So don’t you criticise the things we do
No fucker pays to go and see you.
We are the League and we are mad
We are the League and our music’s bad
We’ll fuck noise like you’ve never known
And make you wished you’d stayed at home
We hate the dogs, we hate the man,
We hate the things we don’t understand
No time for love, cos that ain’t class
If you don’t fucking like it, stuff it up your arse.
We are the League and we are mean
We are the League and we’re obscene
We don’t give a toss for what you think
Cos all your views, they fucking stink
LOL
Nic
October 6, 2008 at 7:26 pm“And I’ve done Smack,
and I’ve done Speed,
I’ve jacked up
until I bleed…
So What?”
🙂
Nic
October 6, 2008 at 7:29 pm“They were not new and exciting in the same way as the bands preceding them, Clash, Peeestols and the immediate aftermath.”
I’m not sure if this is particularly relevant to the reception of a piece of music (or art, or whatever)…
All of the 5th (?) wave of Punk bands (such as the Riot City and No Future bands) wrote lyrics which related directly to their core audience and spoke about their lives…I think the support those bands got (which was a hell-of-a-lot – even purely in terms of record sales) was based on this, rather than people wanting to have something “new” like an NME staffwriter…
andus
October 6, 2008 at 7:30 pmClassic song Nik, heres another one
BALLAD OF JJ DECAY
Well gather around you boys now and listen to the man
He says we’ve fought evaded but united we will stand
We’ll sacrifice the older ones living in the past
We’ll burn up their religions and we’ll all be free at last
We’ll put a hat upon his head and then we’ll call him God
And then we’ll share our health in him like peas do in a pod
This is the story of a man with his future in his head
But no-one ever listens to him when he’s dead
We’ll follow him throughout the land obeying his command
We’ll dance a sort of hatred that we think we understand
The children came a-running from their houses of decay
And laid the trust upon a fool who found a better way
He preach the words of wisdom with his hands and with his mouth
Then everyone believed him and then he believed himself
This is the story of a man with his future in his head
But no-one ever listens to him when he’s dead
(Spoken voice in background of Neville Chamberlain)
“This morning I had another talk with the German
Chancellor Herr Hitler.
Here is the paper which bears his name upon it
as well as mine. We regard the agreement signed
last night as symbolic of the desire of our two
peoples never to go to war with one another again.”
We’re all getting older
The light is on and bolder
We’re all getting older
Decay
The year had come and gone and everyone began to see
Why did we follow such a fool in such a mindless way?
Let’s turn our hatred to this man – we know he’s just a fraud
We crucify him with the rest and find another God
How many times have you heard someone’s coming here to say
That from your hell on earth that you will love until your grave
This is the story of a man with nothing in his head
And no-one’s going to listen to you when you’re dead
We’re all getting older
The light is on and bolder
Chris
October 7, 2008 at 11:52 amQUOTE FROM NIC: All of the 5th (?) wave of Punk bands (such as the Riot City and No Future bands) wrote lyrics which related directly to their core audience and spoke about their lives…I think the support those bands got (which was a hell-of-a-lot – even purely in terms of record sales) was based on this, rather than people wanting to have something “new” like an NME staffwriter…
Objection m’lud. While you could arguably make that case for certain Oi bands, I’d say with regards to the Riot City/No Future type acts it was far more a case of the subject matter of these bands becoming completely generic and simply what they were expected to sing about. If it ‘related’ to their audience this was incidental. Conflict may have sung about smashing up butcher’s shops but I imagine many of those with their name paintd on the back of their jacket would have been just as happy smashing up bus shelters. Any band who are in any way successful will have lyrics that ‘relate’ to their crowd. Similarily, I’m sure Girls Aloud have large segments of their audience demographic who live for getting pissed up on Friday night, but it would be a tad disparate for them to start performing a cover of PTTB “Banned From the Pubs”.
It’s in the interests of any music journo to perpetuate a popular (and thus commercially rewarding) genre and the only way this can be achieved is to continually search for bands who can take the place – as surrogates – for those successful original acts once they ‘move on’ and ‘develop’. SLF were marketed as the ‘new Clash’, Rejects as the ‘new Sham’, One way system as the ‘new Blitz’ (once they started singing about ‘the computer age’ and things that didn’t, err, quite “relate directly to their core audience and speak about their lives”. And so it goes on. As an NME journo told me a few years ago “We’re not interested in finding amazing new bands, we’re just about finding ‘The New Libertines’ cos you can find a band like that to put on the cover every week and that’s what sells”.
PS: saw Anti-Nowhere league a few times. Always thought they were a joke band myself, like they were Damned roadies who had decided to form a band for a laugh. Think anyone who tries to find any great ‘weltanschauung’ in their work should get out a bit more.
Nic
October 7, 2008 at 12:19 pmI’m prepared to take the lyrics as an expression of the concerns of the writers, Chris, rather than taking the more pessimistic view that they were all writing lyrics to a template…
Lyrics which deal with subjects such as being young, being harrassed by the police and other tribal youthcults, being on the dole or joining the army, and being a member of a youthcult would seem to be directly related to the concerns of the audience, and it would seem inevitable that the audience would ‘relate’ to them…
This would seem to apply to all of the Riot City, No Future and Oi bands from my recollection…
If you look at the lyrics to those later Blitz songs, you’ll find the same concerns as their earlier work: it was the musical format which shifted, not the lyrical content, and it was this that alienated the audience (rather than the lyrical content)…
I wonder if you’re confusing this with the ‘Anarcho Punk’ sub-cult?
Girls Aloud may not actively sing songs about drinking on a Friday night, but it’s not their focus: they sing about sexual attraction combined with the seductive delights of the nightclubbing scene which caters for their audience and which allows the audience to ‘relate’ to it…
Andus is a poet, Chris: he sees deeper than you (or I)…
Graham Burnett
October 7, 2008 at 2:02 pmFor Oi lyrics, I think I’ve yet to hear ‘Poser’ by Combat 84 bettered;
You was a Punk in ’77
and you was a Skinhead in ’78
You tried Mod but you were too late,
changing changing all the time
[Chorus]
And you was a Punk too late
And you was a Skinhead too late
And you was a Mod too late
And you was a Ted too late
Poseur poseur standing there
You change your style every year
Once straight but now a queer
You change your style every year
[Chorus]
New Romantics your’e too elite
You aint worthy to kiss me feet
Your’e looking down on all you meet
New Romantics your’e too elite
[Chorus]
Fucking Wankers
andus
October 7, 2008 at 2:31 pmThink anyone who tries to find any great ‘weltanschauung’ in their work should get out a bit more.
I was’nt trying to find any ‘world view’ in their works Chris, Merely trying to make the point that they were not completely mindless, and could occassionally bring themselves to stand for something. The Ballad of jj decay is one of the great ‘anti Nazi’ anthems of punk, but of course that is only my opinion. This song proves they had intellect even if they had choosen not to use it most of the time.
Chris
October 7, 2008 at 3:17 pmApologies, Andus, I hadn’t ready the lyrics to the song you’d posted up. And, I wouldn’t doubt for a moment ANL had intellect, i think that was very clear by the way they marketed themselves as one of the progenitors of that whole GG Allin, Sic Boy Fed ‘Shocker Punk’ type genre, which i think has always had a bloodline from The Damned & The Misfits (and even, though arguably not punk, The Tubes and Albertos Y Los Paranoias) in terms of their completely a-political ‘Rock & Roll’ approach and attitude.
andus
October 7, 2008 at 4:14 pmThats OK, no offence taken, Animal organises biker tours around Europe you know, so were they actually punk/biker cross over band,and if so, the first I think, also The Amebix were keen bikers, so were The Amebix the scions of ANL, I think not, but wouldn’t it be funny if they were.
baron von zubb
October 14, 2008 at 10:09 amAnimal! Thats her name.!! Ooops wrong thread..
The NME staff writers fucking loved the ANL. They tried to hype them up into the non joke bad they were not. I remember reading the crap they wrote and was embarrarased that I had ever been associated with a movement that promised so much and ended up with so little.
If ATV et all had a messge it was to quote the VDGG generation, to do you own thing. All those n’th wave bands were doing someone elses.
The last thing anyone in the late 80’s with half a brain would’ve been into was a ten year old genre. Especially when there was acid house.
Whatever. Me, im just stuck somewhere between VDGG & The Exploited.
Nic
October 14, 2008 at 10:42 amAnyone with half a brain would have given Acid House a wide berth…
As if anyone was ‘doing their own thing’ during that…
🙂
andus
October 14, 2008 at 5:38 pmAnd that awfull rave scene as well, possibly the worst scene ever to grace the planet, mindless rubbish that made Cliff Richard look meaningfull. Teletubbies for adults,
Penguin
October 14, 2008 at 6:22 pmI thought the original UK rave scene was pretty exciting myself, Mutoid Waste company sculptures, Spiral Tribe and Bedlam soundsystems, djing in squats, illegally squatted woodland and industrial parks, being run off by the plod in the middle of the night / morning. Experiencing new drugs in benders and converted buses.
Of course it all went to shit when the promoters got interested and the bouncers got a cut of the drug trade so some folk ended up getting badly hurt in a ‘controlled environment’.
I would rather be in a cold forest e’d of my nuts listening to that material with 100 or so folk than go and see whatever version of Discharge was around in the late 1980’s.
Still opinions are opinions, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with late 1980’s Discharge or whatever – just not for me personally at that time.
baron von zubb
October 14, 2008 at 6:27 pmare you two seriously saying that acid house wasn’t creative ?
Get real.
Just like early punk, every time you heard something it was so exciting it sent shivvers up your spine.
New music, new drugs, new ways to party. And new ways for a whole generation to valorise themselves. It was anti racist, started by ex situationists and so potentialy liberating that the government made it illegal…
Whats not to like? x x
Edit: Penguin pipped me at the post.
alistairliv • Post Author •
October 14, 2008 at 7:44 pmI used to love all the pirate dance music stations in Hackney. Some were so strong you didn’t even need a radio to pick them up.
andus
October 14, 2008 at 8:07 pmI could never stand stand rave music, the techno was alright occassionally when it was turned up loud, The prodigy were brilliant, I had forgotten about The mutoid waste company, yeah they did put on a good show. The whole scene just stunk of mindless thrill seeking to me, exactly what that generation had accused straight society of just a decade before, but a lot of people were into it including most of my friends. I am delighted it died out, not that I am begrudging anyone who liked it, but at the time everywhere you went it was ‘rave’ this awfull teletubbie music, I came close to topping myself. still, its gone now, the nightmare is over, now we have The Arctic Monkeys. now theres A BAND !
Chris
October 15, 2008 at 1:00 amAndus, perhaps you simply never heard any decent techno music?
I got into electro when I lost interest in punk in the early 80s; into house and techno around 1986 and acid house when that came along a year or two later. Ran house and techno clubs for over ten years and DJd all over the place.
During which time I tried to avoid raves and rave music probably as much as you did (the same as I try to avoid being exposed to wet-arsed, anaemic indie guitar bands today!)
just off the top of my head here are a few examples of what house and techno are REALLY about:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=437PlZ…eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m7zl3e…eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzFJKekHVo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSZrT1S33E
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUjQ9qcxk4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tE-V9vrgVv0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ar0W-TQaXrM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M-THHK9UQTE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K6utX65C3ow
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bu8hVn_0Lq4
and nothing wrong with “mindless thrill seeking” matey – my favourite pastime! Give me the sex & drugs over the rock’n’roll any day! 🙂
gerard
October 15, 2008 at 1:28 amMay I humbly add:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xLQj11NOW7s
Also a great remix of Timmy Thomas ‘Why Can’t We Live Together’ (by one of those British DJs – Weatherall or someone of his era?), but I can’t find it on youtube. And the original song that ‘Ride On Time’ sampled, again beyond my memory in title but not in spirit 🙂
Chris
October 15, 2008 at 1:56 amIndeed you can, Gerard, my fine fellow, a quality track with great memories of a club in Edinburgh I used to go to when that came out. Any idea what that bass-line is originally from? Sugarhill Gang used it on “livin in the fast lane” too.
PS: You mean “Love Sensation” by Loletta Holloway? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iJnfflAVOoE
Classic!!
but for my money, this is the best Salsoul track ever:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPdgtFGpU3Q
a total ‘shivers up the spine’ tune.
Chris
October 15, 2008 at 2:02 amand how could i ever forget these total classics?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VJPwhdS25j4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F1v4g9T4g5g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tEJABfkMGIA
Each one utter GENIUS.
Hey!! This thread is starting to make up for all that Varukers and Disorder malarkey, innit? 🙂
John No Last Name
October 15, 2008 at 3:13 amHey Chris, If the bass line appeared on a SugarHill Gang record it probably was written by the Sugarhill house band or specifically by Sylvia Robinson who produced all of that stuff and took most of the credit/cash. The Sugar Hill gang band featured some serious musicians like Keith LeBlanc, Skip MacDonald and Doug Wimbish etc who later played with Mark Stewart and the Maffia. ‘Living in the fast lane’ came out in 84 which was before sampling on rap records really started happening. Samplers didn’t actually get popular until 1985 when the SP12 came out, before that there was the Fairlight which was just way too expensive for anyone outside the mainstream. The SP1200 with it’s massive 8 seconds of sampling time gave groups like Public Enemy the chance to really go off and push the boundaries of music. Interestingly enough (well for me at least) is the fact that the first Beastie Boys album (Licensed to ill) didn’t actually use samplers at all as all of the loops were actual pieces of half inch tape streched around mic stands etc to make loops just like the Beatles did on the White Album, whereas Pauls Boutique (the second Beasties album) really showcased the difference a sampler could make. Some useless trivia which looking at is probably a little less intersting than the Varukers appreciation of poetry.
Chris
October 15, 2008 at 12:47 pmhaha, John No Last name, you’re absolutely right. with the exception of pilfering the Liquid Liquid ‘cavern’ bass line for White Lines , Doug Wimbish pretty much wrote the book for funky-ass bass lines back then. I apologise for my oversight! 🙂
smith3000
October 15, 2008 at 12:53 pm‘Mindless rubbish, teletubbies for adults’ sounds like the kind of thing people used to say about punk rock. If you weren’t into it, fair enough, but there’s no need to be rude!
A lot of people lost interest in the punk scene (myself included) because they thought the music got a bit dull. Acid house was a really exciting thing to be involved in and I think a lot of the music that has come out of it will stand the test of time better than a lot of the punk stuff I used to listen to.
A lot of the things you found in punk rock – an outsider culture’s sense of camaraderie, the shared secret, an anti-authoritarian mindset, amazing brilliant music – some of us found in acid house too.
andus
October 15, 2008 at 1:51 pmI did go to Raves and Acid houses, largely due to the fact there was no alternative during that era, no free choice, least not in Birmingham anyway, every club was rave,acid house, every party, every event. I did try to get into it but it just didn’t happen. I prefer stuff that stimulates my brain, I find that more uplifting and inspiring than anything else, but each to his own, if people are into that scene fair enough.
‘Mindless rubbish, teletubbies for adults’
Sorry if I came across as rude, It wasn’t my intention to upset anyone, but thats my opinion. Teletubbies for adults was a tongue in cheek remark.
I Doubt if acid house or rave will stand the test of time, from what I can see its virtually dead already, and punk marches on. along with rock and pop
Chris
October 15, 2008 at 2:05 pmYea, and that hip-hop stuff? i mean, where’s that now? “Rapping” ??!! Folk talking over the top of a tune? always said it’d never catch on. 😉