Whilst having a sort out I found these badges. Thought they may be of some interest.
The top row in ‘badges1’ are from the Free State of Frestonia, the guitar pick belonged to Johnny Thunders and the CNT one I got from Catalonia in 1980. Both images are in the photo gallery, in the Badge collections sub album.
The Pack one may well be luggys.
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danmac
March 17, 2008 at 11:46 amhey tony
who were 4th reich? i saw a band called security risk a few times and was told that they were an earlier incarnation? and does johnny thunder’s guitar pick have healing powers?
more info about better badges here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Badges
luggy
March 17, 2008 at 1:01 pmAlright Dan
4th Reich changed their rather dodgy name to Manufactured Romance. Nuzz, who posts here, has stuck a couple of their gigs up here:
http://nuzzprowlinwolf.blogspot.com/2008/01/manufactured-romance-live.html
Still see Del every now & again with his 4th Reich tattoo on his shoulder. They used to have a big following with the Whitton punks.
I remember the name Security Risk but can’t remember what they were like.
BTW Tony, I used to have a few of those Pack badges.
danmac
March 17, 2008 at 1:18 pmhello luggs – i’m getting my manufactured romances and my security risks mixed up – both poppy punk bands with female vocalists. i went to see the uk subs once and the whitton punks wouldn’t let the band come on stage because they ‘weren’t ready yet’.
also – you’ll probably know this luggy – who was behind molly’s cafe?
chris
March 17, 2008 at 3:59 pmgreat to see all these badges up! I had so many the same, in fact, if I get a chance i’ll look a load of my old ones out and scan them up too.
One thing that i’ve always wanted to know that perhaps someone can help me with – you see that ‘proletarian autonomy’ badge? Where exactly did that come from? I remember it was one of a ‘set’ (others being ‘hardened cynical bastard’, ‘child or 1984’ and another couple. Does anyone know the provenance of the designs? I thought they were from TG for some reason but tried to find them a while ago & it appeared I was wrong. I remember them as i got them in ‘Listen’ record shop in Glasgow around the same time as the issue of Toxic Grafitti BEFORE the flexi issue came out and Crass played Stirling and was well pissed off as i lost a couple of them leaping about at the gig and never came across them ever again.
really liked those ‘persons unknown’ text badges too. had a ‘housewives & prostitutes’ one which I thought was pretty dandy.
I went to Molly’s cafe once, and once was enough as it was full of crusters. Think it was on Essex Rd and Tim & Spike might have had something to do with it. Pretty sure Napoleon of Eat Shit was there n’all.
Nic
March 17, 2008 at 4:27 pmDan and Luggy: check this out for a bit of Security Risk info:
http://www.detour-records.co.uk/SECURITYRISK.htm
They apparently played a few slots opening for the UK Subs at their White Lion residency, as did The Pack and Crass…
I’m still mad for badges, and usually sport one as a ‘jaunty accessory’…
Chris – I think that many of the badges were made at Better Badges, and Joly (who ran the place) had an eye for a decent design…so he would take the design, re-version it and then make up new variants. I’ve noticed all kinds of ‘variants’ in the badges he currently sells…
Remember the badges that Dayve and Dig from Nottingham made? A nice couple of Rudimentary Peni badges, ‘McDeath’ and the classic ‘Anarcho Herberts’…
John No Last Name
March 17, 2008 at 4:48 pmJoly from Better Badges is still around, he lives in New York and has done for a while. I used to see him at shows all the time when I lived there, still loves music, especially dub, still a great guy and still making and selling badges.
Also for Dan’s question about Molly’s, I think Sean will probably be able to answer that, but I’m pretty sure Spike came up with the name as it was named after “Molotov cocktails” ahem.
I remember seeing Security Risk under that name and later as the Risk, I remember them being pretty good, but nothing too amazing, though back then anything loud and fast with gravity defying hair was something I would have liked. I also remember Manufactured Romance/4th Reich gigs as being similar but more notable for the war going on between them and Martian Dance fans. I’m sure Luggy and Tony remember this too, but people were getting seriously hurt over two extremely ‘not that good’ bands. Crazy times!
I stopped going to Martian Dance shows after hearing a couple of people got stabbed at one.
lee23
March 17, 2008 at 7:03 pmExcellent post, that’s one thing you could say about ‘punk’ it had amazing graphic designers, really powerful designs and typography…re : chris’s post, yes i had the ‘hardened cynical bastard’ badge too, got it in a ‘punk’ clothes shop called ‘nasty’ in brighton around 1981, think they got them from better badges so nic probably right on that one…
luggy
March 17, 2008 at 8:40 pmDan
I can’t remember who cracked Molly’s Cafe. I know various ex-Roseberry Ave & Camden Rd types helped out there together with others like Lyn. I remember the chippy who made the shutters got knocked off his bike & killed in Kings Cross.
I cooked a couple of meals there but was more involved with Ma Turkey’s Jive Dive in the basement on drunken Thursday nights.
simon
March 18, 2008 at 6:27 pmYeah remember Ma Turkey’s too Mick, we had some ridiculously trashed nights there. My memory is blurry but I think it was John, Dave and I who knocked up some home-made flyers one time, photocopied them at the library or somewhere, then put on a drunken night with some attempted dj’ing.
We’d hired a dodgy old set of decks and I carted all my 7″ vinyl down there, we got so pissed that we ended up abandoning the dj’ing and wandered off down Upper Street in a stupor… only to return some time later to find that some bugger had half inched a wad of my vinyl, including some lovely coloured vinyl’s, some of which I ‘borrowed’ off my then ‘born again’ brother! They were still great nights out though!
Another time Larry P did me a copy of the then banned ‘A Clockwork Orange’ and we showed it there in a private screening… how times have changed eh… :->
simon
March 18, 2008 at 6:36 pmOk just realised this thread is about badges, bit slow on the uptake as ever! 😀
I first got into the pin badges at school, but you had to be very careful if you wore them as a) the teachers would confiscate, but more importantly b) you could get a beating! Of course it depended on what the band was and which 6th former wanted the badge. 999 ones were popular but they were pretty risky to wear for fear of getting battered!
Still got a good few in a jar somewhere, including some of the above, Squatters Rights, Crass, New Order, Poisons, Flux, that sort of thing, gonna’ dig them out and have a look for old time sake!
Penguin
March 18, 2008 at 6:41 pmAnyone with a decent badge collection, scan them in and then I will put them up in the photo gallery under ‘Badge collections’ sub album, lay them out like Boney’s above.
Carl
March 19, 2008 at 1:14 pmSimon…What did you think a thread called “Badges” was about ???
I’m confused !!!
Nic
March 19, 2008 at 3:55 pmThe ‘anarcho’ pins are on this page of Joly’s current badge site:
http://www.pinstand.com/pins/a.html#0131
The text about the Hardened Cynical Bastard / Autonomous Proletarian badges states that the design was “brought in to BB by dodgy brian from Scotland around 79″…
It was used by KYPP – was that a case of Joly suggesting that KYPP use the badge? Or did KYPP have a hand in bringing the design in to Better Badges…
Joly’s work on fanzines is ingrained into my memory for the overprinting of text and image and the bright use of colour…
John No Last Name
March 20, 2008 at 1:30 amHmm vague recollection of Simon DJ ing or at least wanting to, very strong recollection of being drunk outside Molly’s and wandering along Upper street with Simon, Dave and possibly Keith in search of an off license. If my memory serves me I think we may even have headed towards ‘Bacchus’ Bin’ just for old times sake. Sorry someone half inched your vinyl, Si. I wonder what they did with a stack of scratched up Soft Cell, X-mal Deutschland, and Demob 7 inches anyway. (or was it the Cure, Girls at our best and the Amebix)
Oh wait for some reason I keep thinking this post should mention badges and that reminds me of a “Sid vicious is not guilty ok” badge that Tom Vague gave me, which reminded me of a single that Luggy had one side of which went “Sid didn’t do it, leave him alone, Sid didn’t do it, bring him back home” Alright I’m guessing that this post either made Luggy laugh or scratch his head thinking “what ever happened to that record?”
So there you go Simon, now you’re not the only one lamenting lost vinyl.
Nic
March 20, 2008 at 10:16 amJohn – the record you’re thinking of is ‘Sid Never Did It’ by The Surgeons…
http://asfm.blogspot.com/2007/12/surgeons-sid-never-did-it.html
luggy
March 20, 2008 at 11:32 amI’ve actually still got that one although I must have had about a third of my old punk singles go missing over the years.
The B-side, ‘Breaking Rocks On Rikers Island’ is a classic as well!
simon
March 20, 2008 at 12:57 pmEr, is this the badges thread?! OK I’ve mentioned the word ‘badge’ so should get away with it.
Thanks John, don’t think Pengers will put up a ‘nicked and lost vinyl’ thread, plus I doubt there will be many ‘takers’ anyway, if you’ll excuse the bad pun.
The only record I remember going walkies that night was The Stranglers ‘Something Better Change/Straighten Out’ on a pink vinyl, but I suppose that’s no great loss. I know we played a load of Buzzcocks, that was probably Keith hijacking the decks, and Dave wanted the pistols on a permanent loop, apart from that I’m sure you’re right it was anything from Soft Cell to Amebix and back again that got played. Plus I still haven’t acquired any decent taste in music either.
I hung onto the flyers for that night for ages but sadly think I binned them recently in a moment of madness… I blame the other half, she hates clutter!
;->
Out of interest, after mentioning the Pistols etc, my bruvver got me into punk in late ’76/’77 in his last year at school, we’d wait for the folks to go out, then whack some Pistols on their stereo, crank up the volume, open all the windows then down some of their dodgy old booze from the cupboard, it was then a case of pogo like crazy in the front room, much to the neighbours dismay!! Bruv then turned ‘born again’ shortly after that – bizarre.
PS. Thanks for listing the blog Nic, browsed that one before, some long lost classics on there, especially the Albertos Y Lost Trios Paranoias stuff, we also blared some of that regularly!
Nic
March 20, 2008 at 1:40 pmI love the Albertos, Simon – great stupid lyrics and heavy riff-a-rama…perfect for a couple of drinks and a full-on pogo around the living room…
“I ain’t got no mind to speak of: in fact, I’m pretty thick!”
Thinking of which – does anyone have any memories of their 1982 Granada TV series ‘Teach Yourself Gibberish’?
Someone has a DVD of it up for sale on ebay, and the nerd-in-me is sorely tempted, but I can imagine it being absolutely pants…
simon
March 20, 2008 at 3:45 pmYes quality lyrics Nic, I reckon’ the Albertos were one of the best so called ‘fake’ punk bands, as for the likes of Jilted John and Plastic Bertrand… well, I could find a more convincing one at my local car-boot!
The Albertos certainly didn’t mess about on the lyrical front, even if the lyrics were meant to be comical. Also they took the p*ss out of those bands that took themselves too seriously, The Damned for example, who even though I didn’t see live, they were a band that I never really got. No doubt others will disagree.
Ooops, forgot to mention the word ‘badge!’
chris
March 20, 2008 at 4:52 pmyes Nic, get the ‘teach yourself Gibberish’ DVD!!! Incidentally, was the stage production of ‘snuff rock’ ever shown? I imagine it must have been filmed.
how can anyone slag off Plastic Bertrand’s “Ca Plane Pour Moi” ? that’s one of thee best ‘punk’ songs ever! (and yes, i know it was ripped off Elton Motello but it’s still better)
Nic
March 20, 2008 at 5:08 pmI like Jilted John and Plastic Bertrand!
🙂
simon
March 20, 2008 at 5:44 pm…Oh I give up!!
😀
John No Last Name
March 20, 2008 at 11:16 pmDon’t give up so easily Simon, I can think of one ‘fake punk’ band that no one can seriously get behind. How about the 70’s folkies the Strawbs fake punk cash in band the Monks famous for the line “Nice legs shame about the boatrace” Any takers?
Chris
March 20, 2008 at 11:54 pmhaha…I remember when John LYDON was on Juke Box Jury ‘The Monks’ were the ‘guest band’ who had to suffer the indignity of coming on to bask in their 5 seconds fame after the former Mr Rotten had slagged them off hardcore stylee. That said, I don’t think they were ever regarded as a ‘punk band’ fake or not.
Andy Cameron, anyone? 😉
John No Last Name
March 21, 2008 at 12:23 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monks_(punk_band)
Nic
March 21, 2008 at 10:34 amPlayed the single to my wife about 2 weeks ago, and we had a sing-a-long…
🙂
(It’s in the ‘Novelty Songs’ section of the collection)
I’m not proud of it – honestly!
Just going off to sit in the corner with my ‘Dunce’ hat on…
Andy Cameron: classic!
How about ‘Super Punk’ by Charlie Drake, or ‘Anarchy Rock’ by The Weathermen (aka Jonathan King)?
Hellfire, they are bad…
Nic
March 21, 2008 at 10:38 am“I wannae pick my nose, and dip it in my coffee”…
Chris – have you got the ‘Kilt By Death: The Sound of Old Scotland’ 3 x CDr of Scottish punk that came out a little while back?
I’m tempted…
Trunt
March 21, 2008 at 4:40 pmHere’s some of my collection of badges, hope this comes out o.k. has anyone got a big scan of the Southern Death Cult indian dancer, as on the badge up top, wouldn’t mind putting onto a T-Shirt. Cheers Trunt
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/SCROBEMART/PICT0168.jpg[/IMG]
Penguin
March 21, 2008 at 4:55 pmNow up in photo gallery Trunt cheers.
simon
April 8, 2008 at 4:06 pmOk, finally dug out a few old badges, all I can find, list as follows:
PTV – gold and red (combination of heraldic, cross of Lorraine, sigil symbol, upside down cross, many other meanings)
Crass – symbol with dove (great logo, serpent eats itself)
Squatting – solution not a problem (it was for a while!)
PTV – skull (we’ve all got one! Great logo)
Victor mature – I wish I was deep instead of just macho (didn’t apply to me obviously!)
Annie Anxiety – logo (another great logo and live act)
Piss Off! (no offence meant!)
Flux Of Pink Indians – all the arms we need (it’s true!)
We Be Echo – logo (obscure band with releases via Larry Peterson)
Rebel (without a clue/causeI?!)
Squat against homelessness (we did thanks)
Conflict – crazy governments (they are, it’s true)
23 Skidoo (great band))
New Order – Peter Saville designed logo (saw them loads, a fave band in the 80’s!)
Poison Girls – crow symbol (saw them loads, great band)
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01327rn9.jpg
chris
April 10, 2008 at 12:55 pmsimon, do you by any remote chance still have a copy of the (as i remember, excellent) cassette that your ‘we be echo’ badge came with? or better still, have a clue what ever happened to mr larry peterson?
simon
April 11, 2008 at 12:49 pmChris, sadly I haven’t seen that tape for ages, probably lost during many, many house moves over the years. The tape was called ‘Ceza Evi’ and eah i remember is was pretty good too. Check the link below for more Info (there’s a link to purchase items, but it’s still being built!
http://tdftl.com/?page_id=12
Also on the Larry P. front, did you see my post of a few weeks back? Pasted below:
“Chris I knew Larry for years, yes top bloke, sadly our friendship was strained when I worked with him at his father’s place in Mile End (David Barry Ltd.) for a couple of years. The address details are here:
http://www.applegate.co.uk/textiles/company/co_1005087.htm
I’m guessing he is still there but haven’t spoken to him in a long time, just one of those things, but would like to hear from him, let me know how you get on!”
Stewart
July 10, 2008 at 11:20 pmBadges… Yes… I think I may have worn one once. I can’t remember what was on it though. Bugger.