Got the idea from Mark’s question regarding a dance Witch Hunt track, and this email I received:
“Hi there, I’m trying to track down a song I heard on john peel somewhere between 79-82 I reckon. it was a punky sounding song with a (from memory) shouted lyric ‘WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?’ – not much to go on I know but any ideas?”
So the idea is, anyone got any answers…or indeed any similar queries, put them here.
Cheers
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alistairliv
February 16, 2008 at 3:55 pmVillage people?
luggy
February 16, 2008 at 8:08 pmAntisect perhaps, that is if you’ve got your dates mixed up & don’t listen to your own posts!:
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/a/antisectlyrics/theytheeternalmythandparadoxlyrics.html
Tony Puppy • Post Author •
February 16, 2008 at 9:31 pmRe-Luggy. Sir, I am a mere conduit of enquiry and my ears are made of cloth.
The Antisect lyrics refered to by Lugworm:
Who are these people who support the cause of war
And use their false morality and label it as law
Who are all these people who change happiness to pain
And turn the suffering of one into another’s so called gain
Who are these people who wreak starvation and disease
And who are these people who build their system based on greed
Who are these people who create aggression, fear and hate
And then use them as tools to keep all others in their place
We have created all greed and all hate
For we are as one and do so must all take the blame
We are pleading for heaven whilst accepting this hell
We’re asking for liberty whilst repressing ourselves
We are controlled by outsiders to whom we pledge our support
By our silence and acceptance we too are at fault
We sit and we suffer, and worse believe it’s okay
Or we scream till we die but it won’t go away
We may advocate peaceful or armed revolutions
But all we create are more institutions
To bind us and blind us, and tell us we’re free
To restrict and confine us within normality,
Well freedom is internal or haven’t you sussed
To possess freedom of mind is the first forward thrust
And normal, what’s normal? but a lie and a con
And the most over populated prison where nobody belongs
The thought police are with us, they have been for years
They’ve standardized values with their weapon of fear
Fear of being pointed at of not blending with the crowd
Well we’ll state we’re individuals but never too loud
We’re frightened and scared of the extent of our plight
And we hide in the darkness when presented with light,
We’ve polluted and poisoned and mistreated this land
We’ve tamed all the animals but failed to tame “man”
We eliminate symptoms rather than the cause
We are all the disease but we are also the cure
The rich and the poor and the weak and the strong
The black and the white and the old and the young
For givers and takers and daughter’s and son’s
For good against evil our work has begun
We must all stand together to rid this world of war
And of want and of suffering, so open your door
To harmony to unity to equality to sharing
Start breathing start feeling start living start caring
We can reach new horizons of trust and respect,
We can live hand in hand and let peace take effect,
We can open our hearts to compassion and love
We can open the cage that imprisons the dove
We can open our minds to be alive and be free
We can take down our barriers and reveal the true we
There is not them
And us.
There’s only
You and me
And the Turdburglars
Who are these people?
luggy
February 16, 2008 at 10:32 pmHa! Ha! Oops, must have read the original post too quickly.
Penguin
February 17, 2008 at 11:49 amYeah reckon Luggs is right, tell your mystery emailer to listen to Antisect track ‘They’ in the post 86 section. The track was from 1982 but this particular LP was released later on in the 1980’s hence the inclusion in that section.
If that is not the track, then tell him / her Village People, Al’s suggestion!
Martin C
February 18, 2008 at 1:46 pmThis isn’t punk – more like 70s pop – but does anyone have a clue about a multi-singer song that has a chorus that goes, “Now is the time (NOW!)” and something to do with imminent revolution? It’s very upbeat and bouncy and terminally naff – if a song had been rejected from the “Hair” soundtrack and rejigged for the Eurovision it would definitely be this record.
I heard it once while driving through the west coast of Ireland on a local radio station, so it might even be an Irish one-hit wonder….sadly the DJ neglected to mention who it was. It’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard and would be interested in finding out about the lunatics behind it
Chris
February 18, 2008 at 3:13 pmare you sure it isn’t simply a song from later that used the Martin Luther King “Now Is The time” vocal sample that has been used on a million and one different dance records over the past 20 or so years? It could be anyone from Greater Than One to D.Note, though as you mention it having ‘something to do with imminent revolution’ i suspect you’re talking about Underground Resistance “Riot” , or if it’s more gospel-ly/garagey song it might be Terrence Parker “Now Is The Time” which I think was on 430 West. Both came out around 1990. Hope that helps.
Wildebeest
February 18, 2008 at 5:30 pmI think you are talking about Jimmy James and the vagabonds disco ‘classic’ “Now is the time”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gXWIvcXLo
Time to stop pogoing around the bedroom and put your polyesther flares back on and get down with your bad self.
Martin C
February 18, 2008 at 5:52 pmNever let it be said the KYPP collective aren’t geniuses. Cheers – that’s the one. Admittedly it sounded a lot better cracking up laughing, shouting “NOW!” and whizzing past rutting cows in fields, but I can’t play it too loud at work.
And I obviously misheard the bit about ‘imminent revolution’, just dug up the lyrics online:
(Now!) Now is the time to set things right
(Now!) Now is the time we should unite
We don’t need revolution
We just need to open our eyes
Revolution is no solution we ought to realise
(Now!) Now is the time to set things right
(Now!) Now is the time to see the light
Looking back to see the future
And to rid the age of nuclear
Now is the time to set things right
Take a look around
What a mess we’re living in!
God created love
And man, huh, he created sin
Taking from the earth
But never ever putting in
Now what becomes of men when he has used up everything?
Tell me!
(Now!) Now is the time to set things right
(Now!) Now is the time we should unite
See, it’s not a million miles away from having nearly come out on All The Madmen….
kabukiboy
February 22, 2008 at 12:57 amit’s me looking for the song with the lyric ‘who are these people’. it’s not anti sect – it was well before that and more original punk/new wave(?)/early indie(?).
if i recall correctly the music in the song stopped when the singer shouted the lyric, and then the song started again.
alternatively is there a john peel playlist online for these years – i could trawl thru that!
Penguin
February 22, 2008 at 1:08 amDevo?
Chris
February 22, 2008 at 2:09 amall the John Peel ‘festive fifties’ are online if that’s a help?
kabukiboy
February 25, 2008 at 5:00 ami doubt if this would’ve been a festive fifty track
devo? which song?
john
February 25, 2008 at 12:39 pmcan anyone answer this?was round a friends the other night and found a 7inch by a band called anti-establishment.i think the ep is called ‘charnel house’.he had lost the cover for it so there is no track listing on the label,seem to remember the cover being a black and white union jack flag.
can anyone tell me names of the tracks on this ep please?
Nic
February 25, 2008 at 1:32 pmJohn:
The band is Anti-Establishment (from Epping, Essex) and the single was released on their own Charnel House records with the B&W fold-around ‘Union Jack’ cover (which you can see here:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=1112773&showpending=1 ).
The tracks are:
A – 1980
B – Mechanical Man
(I don’t think that the B-Side is the Charles Manson song)
John Peel played ‘1980’ a few times – nice track, with some solid guitar…
The group had a couple of singles (‘Future Girl’ and ‘Anti Men’) out on Glass Records of Northampton (home of the mighty Spacemen 3) later in the 80’s, and were the subject of a compilation CD by Captain Oi! records in the late 90’s…
There’s some solid guitar on ‘1980’: nice track…
I’m sure I saw them play live with The Damned in 1980 (on the ‘Black Album’ tour)…
john
February 25, 2008 at 2:26 pmthanks for the info nic,knew someone here would have the answer.
yeah,always thought ‘1980’ was the better track.
never got to see em though.
also,bit off topic but,trying to do some research about punk bands that played at the factory club in hulme,manchester.it was also known as the russell club then later the p.s.v.
wondered if during your time with napalm death did you ever perform there?
and does anyone know if crass ever played there?
anyone who was in bands who reads this site if you ever played here could you let us know?
appreciate any info.
raftax
March 6, 2008 at 9:50 pmBonjour, “queries answered here” so why not try one (two): I recorded these songs on some alternative radio around 83/84 and still don’t konw anything about them. Since I don’t want to humiliate myself with a wrong transcription of what I can get of the words (I’m french, pardon) I uploaded them on the usual filesharing thing (I tried sharebee but it didn’t work…):
http://rapidshare.com/files/97572855/unknown_songs.zip.html
If you have any idea… And if the answer is obvious to you, please don’t nag.
Thanks fo the cool site anyway.
kabukiboy
March 24, 2008 at 4:29 amok- i have another query (as my last one didn’t get too far) – reminded by the mention of glass records above.
dangerous girls. i read they recorded but never released an album. would anyone here in puppy world have a tape? i would love to hear it!
John No Last Name
March 24, 2008 at 6:20 amThere are a couple of 7 inches by the Dangerous Girls for sale here
http://www.detour-records.co.uk/punk.htm
Nic
March 24, 2008 at 11:29 amRob Peters (of Dangerous Girls) sells 2 CDr’s which compile all their recordings (including the unreleased LP tracks)…
Have a look and contact him from his website:
http://www.waferthin.org/Dangerous%20Girls.html
kabukiboy
April 3, 2008 at 2:28 amoh man! awesome! cheers nic.
back to my original request (“who are these people”) – i’ve been trawling through the spunkstains cds to see if it’s on there but nothing so far. it definitely seems to be that type of sound that i remember. i also listen extra hard when pseudo existence comes on – similar sound to them, prehaps……
Stewart
June 22, 2008 at 8:28 amJohn – Bit late I know – but I saw Magazine supported by Bauhaus play the Russell Club, and it must have been late 1979 some time I’d guess. Also Crass played a violent gig there which I was also at. Can’t remember offhand if I saw anyone else… :0 I was taken on a tour of the Factory when it was being done up, but to be honest can’t remember if it was the same place as the Russell Club or not, lol!
Penguin
June 22, 2008 at 11:47 amStewey, Crass played the Mayflower in Gorton, Manchester which was pretty nasty supposedly. This gig is mentioned in another comment somewhere on the site. Just wondered if this was the gig you were at? I was not, so can not comment further.
I think you are lovely by the way.
Stewart
June 22, 2008 at 12:46 pmHmmm, well although I definitely went to the Mayflower too, I couldn’t tell you offhand who I saw there lol! But I’m certain I wasn’t in Manchester in October of that year, which is when Crass played the Mayflower. I Googled it, and Crass played Manchester Polytechnic in April 1980, when I THINK I was still there, and since I definitely saw Crass in Manchester (among other places) I suppose it must have been at the poly, which I did go to a lot for gigs. So maybe it was a DIFFERENT band I saw at the Russell Club which turned violent! (I’m sure it was Crass though, lol! But it might have been the Mayflower and not the Russell Club, but it couldn’t have been the Mayflower if it was October 1980, and now my head hurts and I’m going to bed…). I didn’t know Manchester very well, was a student and stoned on barbs a lot of the time!!!! Though I must say when I saw the UK Subs at the Poly, Charlie Harper was very nice and even singled out my pogoing as the epitome of pogoing- erm -ness… lol! (Londoners together in a strange barbarian place, you know… 😉 )
PS I AM lovely, Penguin, yes, but that’s STILL not the same as ‘adorable’, now is it?!?! (*huffs and pouts a little*)
johng
June 24, 2008 at 11:28 amthanks for the info stewart.yes,crass did play the old polytechnic here in manchester (now called the righton building,not a venue anymore tho),with poison girls i think,didnt go to that one so dont know if it was a violent night unlike the one at the mayflower which i did get into,which was full on nazi nutters etc
can you remember any other bands you saw at the russell/factory in hulme?,i know PIL played a secret last minute gig there,someone told me the clash played there but i can find no mention of that anywhere in webland………..
Stewart
June 24, 2008 at 2:21 pmErm…. nope! Lol! I’ll have a think… 🙂 I do remember Adam and the Ants coming to the record shop in the Arndale Centre (can’t remember what it was called) to sign copies of Cartrouble and nobody recognised them because they weren’t in leather and makeup but just boring clothes. The shop owner had to more or less get out a large flashing illuminated arrow and hold it over her head while shouting “Yes, really, it IS Adam Ant!” Lol! (still got him to sign my single though) (*dies of embarrasment*).
HOWEVER, I also remember (and have records by) bands called Armed Force (who played with The Hoax a lot) and Elti-Fits who were fantastic – the guitarist (or was it the bassist? Called Carl anyway and I can’t be bothered to check) later became the guitarist or bassist with Shriekback – anyone remember them? Excellent band!!!! He squatted in Camden for a time and came round to Huntingdon Street, had to leave me a written note saying he’d had a good time and goodbye because I – erm – collapsed unconscious halfway through the night… (*blushes* at what a bad host he was back in the day…)
johng
June 24, 2008 at 3:48 pma mate of mine met adam and the ants at a signing at a small store in manchester called ‘discount records’ which was opposite the arndale in the old underground market.
my mate came back with a poster for a subs gig at the russell which he claimed adam had ripped off the wall and given to him,dunno if its true but i did have the poster for many years of my youth until it went awol.
wonder if thats the same place/time as you saw them?
remember armed force,the hoax but not the elti-fits……………………..
Stewart
June 24, 2008 at 5:41 pmYes, it was an underground market lol! Hey, I’m 46 and drug-ravaged, I can’t be expected to remember petty details… :-O
Sounds like the same place to me though! I still remember it pretty well actually!
Now, who remembers that stall in Soho Market (London) where I used to buy my punk records during my lunchbreaks as a schoolkid?!?! Can’t remember what that was called either, sigh…
PS I think there was also a connection between Elti-Fits and a band called Out On Blue Six, who were also fab lol! It’s all a bit blurry now though. Maybe Carl played with them before joining Shriekback? Possibly…
Steve
June 24, 2008 at 6:36 pmThat stall was before my time but Shane Macgowan famously worked on it, if that helps…
Penguin
June 24, 2008 at 6:46 pmRock On before the shop opened in Hanway Street W1
Stewart
June 24, 2008 at 7:36 pmcan’t seem to post at the moment 🙁 keep getting marked as spam
Ian S
June 25, 2008 at 12:23 pmI remember Shane McGowan’s stall in what was Soho market, just to the west of Charing Cross Road. The stall was covered like a small shed.
He sold gig posters, records and other stuff. He once drew my attention to the Nipple Erectors 7″: Nervous Wreck/King of the Bop, so I bought it. He was on it of course as lead singer.
Back then he didn’t sound at all Irish and was into a nutty boy/two-tone look.
kabukiboy
August 4, 2008 at 9:05 amanyone know anything about a band called God’s Toys? they appeared on the tube back then and were pretty interesting from what i recall.