Picture uploaded due to sudden surge of interest in this lady via the the Exploited post of 29 September 2008…!
Picture uploaded due to sudden surge of interest in this lady via the the Exploited post of 29 September 2008…!
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Lazy Rod
October 3, 2008 at 7:52 pmPage 3 will do for me!
Nic
October 3, 2008 at 8:04 pmA pertinent post, AL…and somewhat overdue…
I love a “tug” as much as the next, but the other thread was somewhat overwhelming…
Jay Vee
October 3, 2008 at 8:29 pmWell that’s clearly why that picture was chosen, the look on Beki’s face and the word content says it all, she’s fed up with us tugging over her, and wants us to take her as a serious Anarchist, otherwise she’ll leave Vice Squad and form Ligotage, then Beki and the Bombshells…let that be a warning to us not to ever look at another page 3 girl again…(ahem)
Anyone for Eve Libertine?
dan i
October 4, 2008 at 9:03 amI remember the mag ‘Alternative sex’, very interesting and occasionally provocative. I don’t think Beki had anything to do with the content of this page tho, did she?
Jay Vee
October 4, 2008 at 2:23 pmNo, Beki didn’t have anything to do with that page, you’re right dan – and she would probably advocate Page 3 girls of The Sun anyway, as Garry Bushell does and calls Beki the ‘Jewel of Britain’ lol. Isn’t nude pics of women that condone the nudity of themselves just women expressing themselves freely, and not being exploited so long as they were never forced into it?
Nic
October 4, 2008 at 2:25 pm“isn’t nude pics of women that condone the nudity of themselves just women expressing themselves freely, and not being exploited so long as they were never forced into it?”
While that may be true, it could also be a somewhat naive viewpoint…
alistairliv • Post Author •
October 4, 2008 at 4:44 pmJust had a discussion with my daughter about this. She made two points.
1. That if Alternative Sex used the pic of Beki from Sounds without asking her permission, even if it was to make a feminist point, it was still a form of exploitation.
2. On the Page 3 question, that it is do with class as well as sex – that most Page 3 type photos are of young working class women who are posing to make some money. Young middle class women don’t need the money so they don’t appear in such pics.
baron von zubb
October 4, 2008 at 5:16 pmLots of middle class girls on page 3.
they’re just presented as being the same class as the page 3 tuggers.
Glamour modelling is an-imagined-career path for young girls of any class.
And the thing about Mdme Bondage was she decided that she wanted to be a page 3 punk pin up..
Souixie didnt.
Pauline from Penetration didnt.
Poly S didnt.
Gay from the Adverts went all the way & did a nude spread in mayfair or whatever. But she didnt promote her self as a sex object in the same way Beki did.
So the original question had to use her as she’d made herself available.
Its interesting that the other thread went in that direction. Primarliy because theres fuck all else to talk about when involving the bands mentioned.
No disrespect to Mdme B, as I said, she was-is-a nice lady. But that generation of bands stood for nothing.
Sam
October 4, 2008 at 6:05 pmBut they liked their cider.
Chris
October 4, 2008 at 6:06 pmQUOTE:
“isn’t nude pics of women that condone the nudity of themselves just women expressing themselves freely, and not being exploited so long as they were never forced into it?”
While that may be true, it could also be a somewhat naive viewpoint…
———————–
Why is that exactly? Other than the supply & demand/labour relations aspect and assuming no monetary exploitation or physical coercion is involved, entirely the woman’s choice surely?
Jay Vee
October 5, 2008 at 5:44 pmCheers Chris.
I’m glad people like Beki Bondage don’t stand for anything, except maybe for having a laugh and drinking cider, this world is far too serious as it is for a naive person like myself that doesn’t believe in hypocritical role-models.
andus
October 5, 2008 at 6:09 pmCheers Chris.
I’m glad people like Beki Bondage don’t stand for anything, except maybe for having a laugh and drinking cider, this world is far too serious as it is for a naive person like myself that doesn’t believe in hypocritical role-models.
Did you Know our Beki is a devout vegaterian/vegan and very nuch into animal rights.
andus
October 5, 2008 at 6:10 pmapparently
andus
October 5, 2008 at 6:25 pmInterview with Beki Bondage
1. The new CD, “Defiant” is more metal-based than the others you have put out, was there a reason for this or did the songs just, ‘take a course of their own?’
What is your favorite song on the CD? And why? Was there some significance?
I think of Metal as sounding like Black Sabbath and I don’t think we sound anything like that, BUT modern metal does borrow quite heavily from Punk so we probably have some musical traits in common with more recent Metal bands, in as much as we like making a lot of noise !!! The album we did before ‘Defiant’, ‘Rich and Famous’ had a poppier feel and sounded a little light weight to me (though I think the songs were good) so I took a lot more interest in the production on Defiant which is probably why it has a heavier sound. Personally I think the lyrics are totally punk, and I judge bands on what they are writing about and what they stand more than the sound. My favourite song is ‘Britain is still Burning’ because it’s full of aggression and hope and I also like ‘You can’t do that’ because it’s a great expression of frustration.
2. Who came up with the naming of the CD?
It was either Lumpy or me. We were going to call it ‘Don’t let the bastards grind you down’ or ‘Defiant’, and on discovering that the former had been used a lot already we went for Defiant.
3. For all the readers, what festivals do you have planned for 2007?
Concrete Sands on 21st April and Rebellion on 11th August so far, but loads more gigs are up on mySpace http://www.myspace.com/vicesquad
4. When on the road, how do you relax between travels? I want to know how on earth you stay fit while traveling here and there? You look great!
Sometimes you can relax after the show but only if you haven’t got a gig the next day. Even though you spend hours in a van traveling doing nothing it’s very tiring so you tend to tour in a fog of fatigue, usually made worse by a hangover. Unless you get out and run alongside the van you can’t keep fit!!! I suppose it’s the hour spent singing very fast intense songs and thrashing away on guitar that keeps me functioning.
5. What is your opinion of the U.S. punk scene? (Please elaborate if you can).
Are there differences that stand out? Curious!
I think the U.S punk scene is thriving. In fact I think punk is becoming more popular all over the world. It’s attractive to people because it allows you to be an individual yet still ‘belong’ and you don’t need to have lots of money to wear the clothes. It also encourages kids to think for themselves rather than just submitting to being a part of the machine. People in the U.S in general seem far more politically aware than they were back in the 80’s, for example, and I suspect that’s at least partially down to the influence of Punk.
6. What bands in particular (current) do you think influence Vice Squad?
I can’t think of any, we just do what we do! There are a few bands out there who appear to be quite influenced by us, but we don’t try to sound like anyone else. When I sing at the top of my lungs in a raucous bark I say I’m ‘doing a Strummer’ but that’s about it for deliberate influences.
7. What bands would you think would be fitting as a great opening for Vice Squad?
(USA and/or UK)? So Unloved supported us on our last U.S tour and I think they’re great, so I’d gladly have them on board again. We also like dBd, and we’re doing some gigs with them in the UK later this year.
8. What age group do you think your fan-base is targeted to these days?
We don’t target any age group in particular, we target a mind set. Basically if you’re a noizy bastard who hates being told what to do and hates injustice etc. then you’ll probably like us. It also helps if you have a sense of humour. It’s great to see punk permeating different generations, seeing young kids at gigs and seeing older people who’ve stayed punk through thick and thin.
9. With that, what important lessons could you pass on to the younger generation of females that look up to you now? Especially since female roles in the punk scene are stronger than ever.
I’d say don’t let anyone put you off doing what you love. You have as much right to express your opinions as everyone else, and if you want to do it through music then go for it.
10. Some of your clothes drive from something out of “Zena The Warrior” (which only you can pull off successfully), Where did you get this idea and do you feel empowered in them while performing?
Personally, I want to know, because yes, I would feel empowered and I’m 42. I was always into the warrior-woman look, if you look at old photos of me you’ll see I made Roman Centaurian style skirts years ago and wore a whip on my belt. I’m glad you’ve pointed out that it’s warrior-influenced as most people think it’s fetish clothing.
11. Switching gears, when did you know personally that this was what you wanted to do with your life?
What profession would you choose, if only by fate, if this was now to be taken away?
I was hooked on the sound of electric guitars from about age two and knew I had a voice by the time I was about nine, so I suppose I knew I wanted a life in music even as a child. I wanted to be a veterinary surgeon when I was at school but got hooked on Punk instead. I’d be quite happy being a songwriter for other singers, that way I could still be very creative and noisy in the studio. I’ve always wanted to run an animal sanctuary but I forgot about the fact you need money to have one!
12. Obviously, you are vegetarian and believe in animal rights, which is a good thing.
What one poignant piece of information truly convinced you over the years that still stands true?
What are you favorite dishes?
The BSE/CJD outbreak in Britain a few years ago convinced me that veggie is best. The scientist who predicted the outbreak years before it happened had his research grant taken away because those in power wanted to protect the interests of the meat industry over the interests of sentient creatures and the public. Teenagers who’d had no say over what they ate died from CJD and the suffering of the cattle was barely commented on. The farmers were more interested in getting compensation for loss of earnings than anything else. Some people are morons and unfortunately a lot of them get into positions of power. What bright spark came up with the idea of feeding the remains of sheep to a herbivorous animal? I find the stupidity and arrogance of it all astounding. My favourite food is tofu, preferably deep fried and with loads of shitake mushrooms. I eat a lot of curry and heavily spiced foods, but try to avoid garlic if I have a gig as it’s not fair on the people at the front!! I also eat a lot of cake. I’ve been on the cake and wine diet for years.
13. What would you like to do that you haven’t had a chance to do?
Be successful in music!!!!
14. What was your most memorable show and why?
Most memorable recent show was Safari Sam’s in Hollywood, because the crowd was great and because it was so hot and sweaty.
15. What is the future with the band? And do you see the sound of punk rock changing? How?
Vice Squad sounds ferocious now we’ve got Kev (our new drummer) so we’re eagerly awaiting our upcoming assault on the ears of the UK. I think the sound of Punk Rock will become more varied and more powerful but will keep its spirit of rebellion.
FROM. punk4life.co.uk.
Interviewed by Jillian Abbene
February 2007
andus
October 5, 2008 at 6:30 pmThere you have it, The person, and a quite intelligent one at that,
so much for the horrible working class Nik;
cue smiley face. 🙂
Chris
October 5, 2008 at 6:59 pmQUOTE: Cheers Chris.
I’m glad people like Beki Bondage don’t stand for anything, except maybe for having a laugh and drinking cider, this world is far too serious as it is for a naive person like myself that doesn’t believe in hypocritical role-models.
Yes. It should be a prerequisite of anyone considering a career in music or performance to have a clearly set out political agenda of what they “stand for” before they are ever let near a microphone, let alone a stage.
Personally, i’d always thought if anything punk was about REJECTING ‘role-models’ whether (in your view) ‘hypocritical’ or not.
🙂
andus
October 5, 2008 at 7:18 pmWhat about if they just want to engage in pure entertainment, with no specific meaning or purpose. Should the prerequisite of everyone be the respect for freedom of expression whatever that expression be ?
Punk was about rejecting role models, I always thought that was a bit self-defeating. what about positive role-models.Should not punk have just rejected bad or negative role-models.
Hypocritical role models are always a pain, which is why the Church’s are empty these daze.
Your comments gave me the impression that you were saying Beki bondage was basically mindless, which of course very few people are.
andus
October 5, 2008 at 7:21 pmSorry getting confused here, it was was Jay vee that said that not you Chris, its all these damn quotes caused me to get mixed up
Jay Vee
October 5, 2008 at 8:52 pmI wasn’t saying Beki was “basically mindless” nor was my intention to give that impression of her, on the contrary I actually have more respect for entertainers in the Punk scene that are more jolly in their music and lyrics, and not even violent yet still maintain the aggression the Punks want to hear, aren’t militant about their views thus avoiding dissapointing their followers when they can’t realistically offer ‘Anarchy’ as a secure social environment to grow up in, reflecting on baron von zubb’s comment :-
“No disrespect to Mdme B, as I said, she was-is-a nice lady. But that generation of bands stood for nothing.”
So in short, I’m glad Beki Bondage didn’t seriously stand for the Anarchy of the original generation she started her Punk career from, and is still alive and entertaining without having to use the word Anarchy in her lyrics and is a Vegetarian that never miltantly uses her music to tackle those issues.
andus
October 5, 2008 at 9:26 pmI can understand why you seem to prefer the bands that did’nt stand for anything. as a lot of people/bands who did stand for something were very bigoted and judgmental even hatefull towards the people who would not sign up to their creed, Those type of people were actually control freaks and bullies who used morally to hide behind as an excuse to bully and attack other people, which was their real motivation, every bully has an excuse to hide behind, however there were those who genuinely wanted to put an end to a lot of the suffering that goes on in this world, but got frustrated with others for not razing their game.
The problem is if it were not for these people would Beki have become a vegetarian, I mean i was inspired to become a veggie by ‘Conflicts’ Meat is murder, I am not anymore, But I do admire veggies, they are good role models.
I believe we need people who stand for something, If people had stood for nothing in the past we would still have slavery, work house’s and the feudal system etc etc, but I am digressing a bit here.
‘No disrespect to Mdme B, as I said, she was-is-a nice lady. But that generation of bands stood for nothing.”
I can’t entirely agree with this, for instance. ‘The anti-nowhere league’ called themselves by that name because they disliked people who were ‘Nowhere’ who stood for nothing,
If you mean they did not stand for a political cause such as socialism or anarchism. thats fair comment, but just because people do not follow a religious or political creed doesn’t mean they don’t stand for anything.
They stood for art and music at least, They stood for freedom of expression in a society that tries to stifle expression, A society run by people who see us only as workers and commodities
Jay Vee
October 5, 2008 at 9:45 pmThe Punk scene is so funny, it’s all tangled up in a web of “Yeah but no but yeah but no but…”
I’m off to watch a Lee Evans video for a laugh, while I still have a sense of humour 😉
andus
October 5, 2008 at 9:56 pmThats anarchy for ya,
it’s all tangled up in a web of “Yeah but no but yeah but no”
Classic comment Jay Vee
andus
October 5, 2008 at 9:58 pmAnd now for something completely different.
if there were no planets or matter in the universe would time go so fast that nothing would exist ?so perhaps the scientists who believe there is a black hole at the centre of the universe are correct, perhaps its those black holes, that actually make time work by slowing time down right across the universe therefore allowed things to exist
Jay Vee
October 5, 2008 at 10:34 pmandus you’re a genius, you’ve blown Stephen Hawking off the stage in one swooping statement…
andus
October 5, 2008 at 10:45 pmCheers. us punks eh, what are we like.
andus
October 5, 2008 at 10:48 pmI just need to learn how to spell now.
Jay Vee
October 5, 2008 at 11:47 pmSpelling was my favourite subject in Junior School, they had an incentive scheme whereby the child that scored highest marks in spelling tests got to leave the class room 1st at home time…it was their way of ensuring all the children walked out of school in an orderly fashion, needless to say, I excelled at the subject – I was just keen to get the fuck outta there 😉
andus
October 6, 2008 at 12:02 amI was just keen to get the hell out of there, peroid, they had an incentive strategy at my school as well, his name was Mr carter and his incentive was 6 of the best, I decided the best way to avoid his incentive was not to turn up at all, of course this served only to make him activate his incentive, in the end they decided the incentive was not working so they sent this chap called the ‘school board’ man around to my house every morning at 8.30am who very kindly gave me a lift to school, I figured I must have done something right.
Jay Vee
October 6, 2008 at 12:39 amI got caned several times at school myself, when I look back to those days now I wonder how school’s ever got away with that type of punishment, and I heard on the radio recently that 26% of teachers in Britain want it brought back, I would protest against it even now that I’m an adult with no children of my own, it’s so unnecessary – what’s wrong with just excluding the problem child from classes, as that’s usually what keeps both parties involved happy – caning is / was just an excuse for teachers to abuse their authority in a barbaric fetish kind of way…I played truant more times than I attended in my last 2 years of education, left without qualifications, told I’d regret it when older, but never have at all since – and these days with the technology available, do children really need a state education?
andus
October 6, 2008 at 1:05 amThe cane was supposedly abolished in 1979 but i was still getting it in 82. I heard that on the radio as well the other day, they are campaigning to bring it back, They used to have special schools they sent unruly kids to, these days they just expel them which you could argue is worser than the cane, as it could lead to a life of permanent unemployment and poverty, which effectively means they are punished for life.
If they did bring back the cane we would have the ludicrous situation were the teachers would not be allowed to touch them but would be allowed to wack them. The UN have recently complained about the way we treat children in this country, they even went as far as saying it borders on persecution, Kids get blamed for everything, yet from what I can see there is less vandalism and less violence from kids today then there was when i was a child. We live in the double think society were goverments seek to ban home schooling as they have done in Germany and USA,but then expel them themselves.
I was actually punched by one of the teachers at my school for not saying thank you. I was caned for not wearing a tie, my mum did not have the money for one, so I was effectively caned for being poor. I was caned for being pushed out of a cue by another pupil; as Andy Martin says in Smile magazine. Educate your teachers, give them a kicking, too right.
andus
October 6, 2008 at 12:10 pmRussian physicist Korzibski (the name may be slightly wrong – it was a long time ago) he was convinced that time consisted of chronons, i.e. he believed that time had substance so, as it was composed of chronons then time must have mass in which case it must be theoretically possible to weigh it – so he spent the next 17 years or so trying to devise an apparatus that would WEIGH TIME!
baron von zubb
October 6, 2008 at 4:10 pmAm I allowed to babble on ?
Yeah fuck it.
The anti nowhere league stood for nothing except copying someone elses idea of what to do.
Thats really what I mean’t about that era of bands .
They were not new and exciting in the same way as the bands preceding them, Clash, Peeestols and the immediate aftermath.
ATV’s How much longer for example, was the most original bit of social commentary i’d ever heard. It stood for questioning things. Their album (image has cracked) had punk songs but without lyrics. Outragous!!
Having said all that, as it is nowadys Beki gets more respect from me than utterly butterly. Theres at least a ten year age gap betweenn the two though.
Yeahbutnobutyeah…
andus
October 6, 2008 at 5:25 pmI certainly agree with you that The anti nowhere league had no originality,
well, if they stood for nothing, then that means they stood for nihilism. lol.
ATV one of the best punk bands of all time, if not the best, they had guts as well, very few bands would have sung the songs they sung, especially the one about masturbation.