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Jah Pork Pie
January 6, 2009 at 2:07 pm“SOLVENTS, I would love to find a copy, cos it had a pic of an evil-looking teenage skinhead with facial tats sniffing a bag”
That just HAS to have been that little bastard Kenny.
Martin C
January 6, 2009 at 5:28 pmWas that the mugger you were talking about? I seem to remember them looking a bit like black stripes around one side of his face. I will resume my efforts to track this mighty tome down (I’ve even previously emailed sellers on Abebooks asking if they can describe the front cover – alas, zero skinheads, from those who were kind enough to email me back). Sounds like it was a one-book KYPP reunion. If I find it, I’ll lend it to Penguin.
Slightly off topic again, but a great ‘religious’ paperback is ‘Satan’s Snare’ by Peter Anderson, which reveals that the Eagles and Michael Jackson are Satanists, ouija boards are highly dangerous (with an endorsement from Kenny Everett) and features a description of a real life black mass, which is obviously the ‘interviewee’ remembering bits from ‘The Devil Rides Out’.
Even more off topic, what I’d LOVE to see is someone put together a compilation book of the Hendon Times’ ‘Pop Round the Corner’ columns – the local rag that beat the entire music press to the post in profiling Whitehouse (hilarious scathing review) and featured basically anyone who wrote in to them with a picture and a biog. My older brother even blagged his way in , around ’82…next to a profile of a group called ‘Levitation’ (some hippie married couple in kaftans, playing a ‘refreshing’ brand of ‘folk’ and ‘electronic’ with a Casio keyboard)
chris
January 6, 2009 at 9:05 pmhaha, by coincidence, one of the original Whitehouse LPs I had, but stupidly sold to Reckless Records on Berwick Street many moons before Ebay, had an original press cutting of their “Pop Round The Corner” review glued onto the cover.
Though I would be surprised if the author found many willing to “Pop Round The Corner” with him as from what I recall he looked like a cross between Gerry Rafferty & Peter Sutcliffe.
Satan’s Snare’ sounds ace. I love stuff like that. You should also keep a look out for any books by Jeff Godwin. I’ve got three; “Dancing with Demons”, “Devil’s Disciples” and another about Christian Rock. All heavy on the chuckles per page ratio.
Oh look, he’s got a website: http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
Shame noone ever sent HIM a Whitehouse album to review š
John No Last Name
January 6, 2009 at 10:01 pmhmm “Slightly off topic again, but a great āreligiousā paperback is āSatanās Snareā by Peter Anderson, which reveals that the Eagles and Michael Jackson are Satanists”
The Eagles greatest hits is the biggest selling Album of all time, the second biggest is Michael Jackson’s “Thriller”, I’m not sure but after that it may very well be AC/DC’s “Back in Black”. Makes you think huh?
Looks like the score is Satan 3 God 0.
Jah Pork Pie
January 6, 2009 at 10:31 pmSatan 3 God 0?
And they say “Jesus Saves”?
I’d have had him off at half-time and put David James between the posts.
Sam
January 6, 2009 at 11:47 pmMy son loves AC DC and has swayed me to bits and pieces too.
Martin C
January 7, 2009 at 1:04 am“Though I would be surprised if the author found many willing to āPop Round The Cornerā with him as from what I recall he looked like a cross between Gerry Rafferty & Peter Sutcliffe.”
Yeah, that was one serious weird beard. There’s a real funny line in it about ‘If you find these records, dump them on the nearest motorway. Better still, dump the musicians there too’.
Didn’t WH send Spare Rib a copy of ‘Right to Kill’ for a wheeze?
John – I think the book also mentioned Black Oak Arkansas, so Jesus pulled one back there.
chris
January 7, 2009 at 8:57 pmahem…”Boring trivia #101 pedantic wank though you will thank me if it ever comes up in a pub quiz time” – BUT in fact the reason The Eagles Greatest Hits is often listed as the biggest selling album of all time is that this is often based on the American highest selling charts. Worldwide “Thriller” has sold over twice as many copies as The Eagles. With “Back In Black” having sold roughly the same amount, which I must say I was pleasantly surprised by š
baronvonzubb
January 9, 2009 at 8:45 pmZubbs in an anti drug edu book?. Pull the other one.
Phil R knows the photograper. Wasnt it him who arranged it all? Or was it you Sam?
Those films were truly shite. Why the fuck has Hazel o Conner become an icon? Like she was some borstal girl who got saved by the film industry or something?What a load of bollocks.
Yeah those films. As well as being bollocks Kenny & Sammy decided it was a great day for a white mugging. So guess who lost his pissing wages?
Oh what joy(of works-boo boom-) it is to hear the wankers misfortune. x x x
Mr Peengwen. I’m wracking my brains for music you aint got .
Its P – 30000 BVZ – 1 ATM
so.
Puppy mansions 1982. The band that Leigh was in with other aussies. Forget the name. Great band.
They did a brilliant cover of ‘White Rabbit’ and I remember they relesesed an E P ?) with it on?
Best version of the toon ever.
AND
here me now, here me now star(s)key.
im a tellin you lucky, yeah.
Me no check with informer.
Me no like informer.
40 days
and 40 nights
Bin locked away in a jail house’…
Studio one. 1973?
Me tape bust never to be heard again.
chris
January 9, 2009 at 9:17 pmPenguin; talking of things you won’t have. I just remembered i have about five CDs of Polish Punk bands from 1977-1979 (plus full tracklistings) that i’ll lend you. wasn’t there a feature on the Polish punk scene in an issue of New Crimes or Toxic Grafity? Sure Graham or Mike will be able to confirm… or maybe I was thinking of the 1970s Italian punk scene (which, incidentally I have recently got a DVD of a RAI TV documentary on).
Nic, don’t suppose you have ever had any joy tracking down that Rondos/Tanderstickershocks/Red Rock Dutch squat-punk scene docu? Would LOVE to see that.
Incidentally, whilst I too thought Breaking Glass was utter shite when it came out, watching it now it is actually pretty good, if only in its portrayal of how grimy London looked then. Plus, as anyone who has had any dealings with major labels will testify, the portrayal of the machiavellian machinations of the music industry are pretty damn accurate.
Dodi Al Fayed’s penultimate moment of glory!
Sam
January 9, 2009 at 9:42 pmThe photographer was Harriet’s (Si’s girlfriend) mum. Is Hazel O’Connor an icon? Blimey, she doesn’t deserve it. Now…La Sioux on the other hand. Never a huge fan, but a unique person and singer and the darkly sexual’s darkly sexual. Great clip of her singing Caroline Says on Youtube.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nid2FLEAMQ
Gawd bless you ma’am.
chris
January 9, 2009 at 10:47 pmActually, I worked for Interceptor, Suede’s management company for a while. Brett used to be a big Crass fan and Simon , their drummer, was in a band who had a track on a Bullshit Detector.
I’d never seen that Siouxsie clip before. Loved ‘Join Hands’ era Banshees. Along with Metal Box and the first Joy Division and Killing Joke LPs, in my opinion, the best things that ever came out of the post-punk era. Probably because, like the first Crass 12″ and early TG, they completely eschew traditional rock & roll. Which is what I always thought punk was supposed to be about.
Penguin • Post Author •
January 9, 2009 at 11:23 pmZubb – Leigh’s band is Last Words uploaded here on this site is the LP
https://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/?p=905
Chris do not think I can handle five CDs of Polish punk, and apart from UNIT downloads this site is dedicated to rare tapes and vinyl only, so maybe I will have to give your kind offer a miss just this once, as I know you will have enough other interesting stuff. I got loads of Italian punk 7″s here, ones with books as covers and so forth, proper thick sleeves! They will no doubt go up at some point.
I have not seen Breaking Glass since 1981 or sometime round then, seem to remember a mohawk guy tearing down some curtains behind the stage during a gig (or a practice) Can not remember that well. Chris is sorting me out with a copy of that film for me to look at again which I am looking forward to.
chris
January 10, 2009 at 12:48 amhaha!! I don’t blame you! Whilst they are all single releases (basically a Polish version of those ‘killed By Death’ comps) I think i’ve only ever listened to the first few songs on one of the CDs and that was enough! Like “loyalist trance” (it exists! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T603UQModf0&feature=related !!!) Polish Punk is one sub-genre I doubt will ever receive any great historical reappraisal š
James
January 10, 2009 at 11:14 amPolish punk is pretty dire but that loyalist trance track is one of the worst I have ever endured. Thanks for sharing it Chris š
baronvonzubb
January 10, 2009 at 12:26 pm” Loved āJoin Handsā era Banshees. Along with Metal Box and the first Joy Division and Killing Joke LPs, in my opinion, the best things that ever came out of the post-punk era. Probably because, like the first Crass 12ā³ and early TG, they completely eschew traditional rock & roll. Which is what I always thought punk was supposed to be about.”
Yep absolutely (but dunno about KJ. A bit like punk on barbs?)
chris
January 10, 2009 at 5:48 pmFunny just how many Material bass lines Youth ripped off, not to mention War “Me & Baby Brother” for “Change”. Still, I think their first LP and few singles are awesome.
Lion
August 14, 2010 at 1:19 pmChris said — “Youth ripped off…..War āMe & Baby Brotherā for āChangeā. Still, I think their first LP and few singles are awesome.”
Very very true that — KJ also ripped off the metallic riffing from funk band Graham Central Station track “Tell me What it Is” — The KJ track “Bloodsport” also directly steals an AC/DC riff from track “Shot D”HIghway to Hell” albums.
Lion
August 14, 2010 at 1:22 pmerrr, I meant to say — The KJ track āBloodsportā also directly steals an AC/DC riff from track āShot Down in Flames ā from the “Highway to Hellā album.
Let’s face it , so much of punk was based on metal riffs — Black Sabbath’s “Sweet Leaf” also surely influenced KJ tracks like “Wardance”, and so many Steve Jones riffs were metal. And weren’t the Stooges pretty close to metal ? Iggy professes liking and respect for Black Sabbath on the “Raw Power” re-issue sleeve notes.
Lion
August 14, 2010 at 1:32 pmX Ray Spex riffs were surely badly played metal too…..the list goes on and on….
alistairliv
August 14, 2010 at 6:54 pmLion – what absolute utter and total rubbish! !! Has any one ever mistaken X Ray Spex for ābadly played heavy metalā? And the Stooges were never āheavy metalāā¦back in about 1974, NME or more likely Sounds did an āOrigins of Heavy Metalā feature – giving the Stooges as an ancestor. My two mates at school who were both hard core heavy mettalers – Black Sabbath, Grand Funk Railroad, Black Oak Arkansas, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple – bought a Stooges album, canāt remember which, probably the firstā¦and fell about laughing. No way was the tinny, trebley sound of the Stooges heavy metalā¦ Thye loaned me the Stooges album and I had to agree. Not Heavy Metal.
And AC/DC are not heavy metal either, they are hard rock. Heavy metal cannot be confused by anyone with (to be polite) the merest modicum of musical comprehension – punk. If anyone doubts me, listen to this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLR_0_mLYM
It is 10 minutes long and at 8 minutes 13 seconds you get THE riff. To get the full effect I used to lie on the floor with the stereo speakers placed on either side of my head, pressing on my ears. I would listen to the song and then, just at the vital moment , would whip the volume up to MAXIMUM. It was like being given a huge electric shock. My body would go rigid and jump about six inches off the floor.
So Lion -here is a challenge: listen to Warning by Black Sabbath (see above) and then if you can name a track by ANY punk band which sounds like or is copied from or in anyway competes with the sheer utter HEAVINESS of the trackā¦ I will be most surprised.
Lion
August 15, 2010 at 3:27 amErrrrr……thanks Alistair….ok, will do.
Lion
August 15, 2010 at 4:26 amNo but seriously now Alistair, the image/look of the bands aside ( which are clearly light years apart ) the honest listener can see the line between Hard rock, Heavy Metal, bubble gum Glam rock and Punk is a very blurred one.
Yes, ok, I am not talking about the proggy side of Heavy Metal/Hard rock/Rock — Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple etc — but I speak of the dirty raw power fuzz guitar aspect of things.
To me, these aspects of the sound effortlessly blur into each other.
There is really not a vast gap at all between the MC5, The Stooges, The Pink Fairies and many, many obscure hard rock long hair bands of the early to late 70’s, and there is not a vast gap between the fuzz guitar rock of many British bubble gum Glam Rock bands and early Punk.
The links seem to me pretty obvious to the honest listener.
The long hair, flowing velevety robes, flared sleeve shirts, flowery loon pants in opposition to the austere, confrontational and aware look of punk rock may have set them decades apart — but close your eyes, and the fact the genres are cantankeorus, argumentative relatives is pretty obvious in many cases….
( And yes, Killing Joke clearly ripped off both Glam and AC/DC — do a web search for the KJ interviews when they rave about early AC/DC ).
Lion
August 15, 2010 at 4:56 amI love early Black Sabbath too Alistair; in fact I have ‘volume four’ pretty much on constant play these days…
alistairliv
August 15, 2010 at 1:24 pmLion – My son is using the computer just now, so can’t get stuck in to this but meantime have found some book material. My problem with your theory is – it looks to me that you are abstracting/ extracting the ‘music’ from the genre/ subculture and then finding similarities.
But if you do that you lose the context, the non-musical part of the equation. You can treat the music in isolation, but then especially with punk, you loose all the other stuff that made it interesting and distinguished punk from heavy metal or ‘punk as sub/counterculture’ from the ‘freak not hippie’ (as Pete Stennet of Small Wonder usd to tell me) sub/counterculture of Pink Fairies/ Hawkwind/ Social Deviants etc.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nqid6rLH_KwC&lpg=PA209&dq=punk%20heavy%20metal&pg=PA209#v=onepage&q=punk%20heavy%20metal&f=false
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LqDJjAeYxssC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
Sam
August 15, 2010 at 8:12 pmAgree with Alistair. Attitude, context and the place the music comes from is everything. Can’t imagine Robert Plant writing ‘Warrior in Woolworths’.
Lion
August 16, 2010 at 3:39 amI dunno Sam; I saw old Planty down the fruit and veg section of my local Tescos once. He looked like a warrior — a warrior on the edge of time. He was wearing a cloak with stars on it at the time.
alistairliv
August 16, 2010 at 9:21 amAre you sure it wasn’t Marc Bolan – who said “My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair… But Now They’re Content to Wear Stars on Their Brows”?