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Nic
May 20, 2008 at 10:06 amOne striking aspect of the pictures is the sheer youthfulness of the faces (something I tend to forget)…
Ah, days on the dole, randomly crazy colouring your hair…
🙂
Mike
May 20, 2008 at 11:24 amForgot to thank Pete(Nihilism On The Prowl website) for the Heretics pic,he realised who it was
alistairliv
May 20, 2008 at 11:28 amThink it is Trevor on left and Cory on right in bottom right hand photo
jahpork
May 20, 2008 at 11:37 amObserver article, second row down: the 2 girls sitting together are (l-r) Roz and Tracy. I think they were from Walton-on Thames. I have nothing but fond memories of Wank Stain and me meeting them at the Sore Throat gig at the Nashville (when Madness supported). As if you needed telling, Wank Stain is the one who wants his hair to look like a clenched fist. We did rather say some things that made us sound like clenched sphincters at times, didn’t we?
End of the Nashville gig and fancying me chances, I went back on the tube with Tracy and Roz as far as Richmond where we hitched a lift back to Walton-on-Thames. Managed to get a lift back towards Walton (on a big main A or M-road, can’t remember which) with a hip social worker (resplendent in full beard, tweed jacket and red Kickers [the only shoes social workers ever wore in those days – how did they ever become Chavwear in later years?]). Some minutes later, I find myself in a compromising situation in back seat of motor. Social worker looks in rear view mirror, goes fucking mental and slings us out on hard shoulder. Tracy then regurgitates 15 vodka and oranges onto road surface, narrowly missing my white patent brothel creepers. We’re pretty much up the creek at this point, pissed and don’t know where we are.
A bloke in his late twenties pulls up in an old transit and asks us where we’re going. “Walton, then Putney”. “Jump in, I’ll drop you”. He takes us all the way to Walton on Thames, drops the girls off, then turns round and heads back towards Putney. I ask him what he’s been up to and he says he’s the manager of a band (I can’t remember which one sadly). He’s heading down towards Hampshire (which means he’s going in completely the wrong direction by 20 miles by dropping me off). Instead of just going back to Hammersmith and dropping me off, he goes all the way through Putney and drops me off right at my mum’s door. I have 50p left in my pocket (one vodka and oranges worth at the Nashville, I think) and I offer it to him for the petrol. “Nah mate, don’t worry about that. Keep it and have a drink. Just do me a favour and if you ever see anyone who needs a favour, pass this one on to them”. That taught me more about life than Crass ever did.
Rich Kid
May 20, 2008 at 4:12 pmBottom pic is us
with gay Phil behind.Recongnise the next three (might be Pinky) but cant remember names, then theres Cory all fluffed up & New Zealand ‘Pip’. Had the silver room in Archway.
Where the fuck u get that pic from? Madness.
Rich Kid
May 20, 2008 at 4:14 pmHow did we ever look so young & harmless?
Rich Kid
May 20, 2008 at 4:18 pmOh ok its from the observer.Im famous.Though wanks been in paris match, the observer & on the front page of a broad sheet in M G times. Bugger..
Mike
May 20, 2008 at 4:34 pmHeretics pic is from Vogue or summat 1979-80,guy sent it to Nihilism On Prowl bloke who sent it to me saying ‘Isn’t that the Heretics?’.Whatever Jake is doing,he has the undivided attention of the 4 on the right.There’s a caption contest somewhere in this.
Sam
May 20, 2008 at 4:35 pmJake – the Heretics picture is from a book on the 70s. I think we’re in at least 2 such books! The girl with red hair in the middle is Sue – gay Phil’s sister. I think we look better in B + W.
Sam
May 20, 2008 at 8:55 pmI didn’t know any of these people at the time and I disapproved of their fluffy colourfulness.
Rich Kid
May 21, 2008 at 7:07 pmWe’re in TWO such books. And Vogue? You are joking me. Wheres the £££££££ copyright royalties. I demand my due. For freedom, for equality, for my fellow heretics & for my bank overdraught.
Which bloody books? This I have to know. Ho Ho Ho
Rich Kid
May 21, 2008 at 7:08 pmHere comes my chinese rug..
Phil
May 26, 2008 at 6:02 pmThe guy standing next to Cory is Ron (Later Ron) from Brighton.
The guy in between Jah pork and Pip is Sniper.
There’s another photo published in this series in a book called “sexwatching”
jahpork
May 27, 2008 at 5:41 pm@Phil-> That’s not me, that’s Sam!!
I was somewhere else, probably being pale, wan and interesting-looking round some girlz at the time 😉
Phil
May 27, 2008 at 7:11 pmOops! sorry pork…Memorys a bit crap 30 years on. I remember the archway squat cos it was really SHIT…No gas or leccy. Give me Campbell Buildings anyday. Got petrol bombed by skinheads in the end.
The reason Pip had a silver room there was because he had this mad idea
that it would act like a big themos flask and keep the room warm …Brrrrr.
jahpork
May 27, 2008 at 9:39 pm@Phil->Was that the room that Pinki had at some point? I remember visiting that place with her, and a skinhead-punk guy called (I think) Gary living there too.
I thought that Pinki had put the foil on the walls to deter aliens or something!
Phil
May 27, 2008 at 10:06 pmI know that Pinki really lost the plot there for a while.
I remember her jumping right through the (closed) living room window and cutting up her legs and repeatedly hitting her head with a frying pan.
(she got sectioned not long after).
baron von zubb
June 1, 2008 at 10:56 pmYep Gary was living there too And boy was I shocked when he got seduced by Mr Phil. It was my first contact with gays who weren’t out, in his case that is.
My reaction to it wasnt my finest hour.Silly boy.But after that firebombing many of us crashed at Willey(ex’s) place in Archway Rd?
And Ron he was a jolly good man if I remember rightly.
Phil you mean theres more pics? This book exists somewhere?
Ho ho ho.
Phil
June 2, 2008 at 8:47 amBaron,Oh yeah, thats right, me and Gary were shagging. He was cute!
Ive got the picture from the book somwhere.
A guy from the Ozric Tenticals found it on the organic farm he had just bought in Devon and sent it to me! I will try to upload it.
I saw Willy X acouple of weeks ago at that rock against racism thing.
along with Jimmy Pursey doing white riot and Poly doing oh bondage.
Phil
June 2, 2008 at 8:58 amRon was a great guy, but i remember he got the clap at campbell buildings
and didnt get it treated for ages and you would smell this strong aroma of seaweed long before he entered the room.
@Pork, yeah there was such a strong feeling of unity between us at the time.
EVERYONE hated punks-bikers mods skins cops houswifes soulboys and alot of them seemed to be hangin round campbell buildings
Stewart
June 2, 2008 at 10:22 pmIn the Observer article, I knew the two punks with the pink and black striped hair and the bleached spiky hair (right hand side, three down) – but can’t remember their names. They were from Basingstoke. I think they MAY have been around in Balls Pond Road squat time pre 51 Huntingdon Street. There was a lovely girl called Sue who modelled herself after Siouxsie (and looked the spitting image of her, too) who lived above a hairdresser’s shop in Stoke Newington High Road, had some wild times there and I think they were part of the crowd then. First place I ever took blues…
Stewart
June 2, 2008 at 10:25 pmI can never remember where Stoke Newington High Street ends and Stoke Newington Road begins, or vice versa. Sorry. It was about three-quarters of the way up above a hairdresser’s anyway, lol! On the left hand side walking towards the Three Crowns.
Penguin • Post Author •
January 5, 2009 at 7:29 pmAdd this thread to the related Heretics posts Baron – gotta be up to 1000 comments or so now.
Great picture up top…
Jah Pork: Observer article, second row down: the 2 girls sitting together are (l-r) Roz and Tracy. I think they were from Walton-on Thames.
I think I’m in love (sighs)
Phil R
January 5, 2009 at 8:53 pmWarhol said something like : “its not what they say about you”. -“its how much they say”.
chris
January 5, 2009 at 9:10 pmby coincidence, there is a copy of the original of this magazine, plus a few other Sunday supplements from 1977 and later with photos and features on punk for sale in the the 2nd hand book part of the Comme des Garcons store in Dover St Market, off Piccadilly. Priced from around £15. was looking at them just before Christmas so not sure which ones will be left now but may be worth checking out for anyone in the area.
Martin C
January 5, 2009 at 10:21 pmThe people in the 2nd scan down also featured in an educational book for schools about drug abuse.
This isn’t a wind-up: it was another snap of the group and the gangly one sniffing the white bottle (I actually remember that bottle!) (if memory serves me right, he also had ‘UK SUBS’ permamarker’d on his jeans). So you were famous to kids all over the land, folks.
Can’t remember which one now, but if it was SOLVENTS, I would love to find a copy, cos it had a pic of an evil-looking teenage skinhead with facial tats sniffing a bag on the cover, plus loads of pics of punks (and some kids with vintage Adidas wear getting high too). AMPHETAMINES was pretty cool, loads of girls with razor sharp cheekbones and thousand yard stares, ALCOHOL was OK, but mostly consisted of comatose kids. The HEROIN book was terrible, just people with long hair, dirty bare feet and ribcages sticking out. I used to get them out to try and copy hairstyles at home.
Sadly, searches on eBay / abe have proven fruitless (think about it, how many 80s educational books called ‘Solvents’ must there have been?), I can’t remember the publisher or author. Last glimpsed in Luton Sixth Form Library, Jan ’94.
(Incidentally, there was a brilliant Sociology book too which had a pic of a Pakistani kid in a Harrington and a ‘Rights for Whites’ NF badge, plus a very foxy girl in a leather jacket with the Crass logo)
Penguin • Post Author •
January 5, 2009 at 10:44 pmThat’s our very own Jake / Rich Kid / Baron Von Zubb Martin. The gangly one! Can’t wait for him to see your comment… Wonder what other educational books he is featured in with regard to warning youngsters NOT to follow his example. Warning came a little too late for Ian Astbury I guess, who stuck it out with them until he run away in horror, the horror, the horror 😉
chris
January 5, 2009 at 10:48 pmWoah!! Books like that are amazing! In fact, i’m sure someone MUST have put together a website in their honour.
I remember some real classics from when I was a kid, which i’m sure were actually in the waiting room of the local GP’s surgery rather than the school library where they probably wouldn’t have lasted a minute. I do, however, have a couple of great kids’ educational books that I have picked up over the years at jumble sales. One warning against the hidden dangers of going into the woods with kindly old Mr Tickle-Finger to help him look for his lost puppies, and another, rendered in that glorious early 70s graphic style which modern-day Christian publications still employ, about the perils that befall a couple of dippy girls who run away from home for the gold-paved streets of The Big Smoke. Where needless to say, enterprising chaps promptly relieve them of their savings, and another salubrious character who befriends them (resplendent in shades, leather coat and belt-buckle emblazoned with the word ‘STUD’) no doubt ‘relieves’ them of something else, tacitly denoted by their traumatised demeanour “The Morning After”
😉
Martin C
January 5, 2009 at 11:20 pmJust in case the ‘gangly one’ has become the ‘really muscular, brick hard one with a van load of mates’, I’d like to say that this shitty comments facility somehow omitted the ‘exceedlingly handsome’ part in my comment. I think I copied your hairstyle at one point? Small world, eh? There was a kid with a gluebag lying on his belly down the park who I could never get right, I think he’d beaded each spike before twisting it into a sharp point at the end and dyed it blue and it looked great (I tried the blue bit years later but mine went turquoise so I just looked like a fucking budgie for 8 weeks)
Chris – Mr Tickle-Finger? Laughing my bollocks off. Yeah, I’d love to see a site covering these – you probably already know this, but there’s a great one with tonnes of Jack Chick tracts, but the difference being he actually put them up himself instead of a piss-taking ‘fan’!
chris
January 5, 2009 at 11:28 pmOoooh yes, I have been a great fan of the Chick Tracts for many moons. In fact, back in acid house club running days I would get the girl who did the cloakroom to slip copies of certain favourites – “that Crazy Guy”,”Satan’s Servants”,”Doom Town” etc – into the pockets of mates who were well out of it, just to give them some ‘moral instruction’ to digest on their journey home.
Even more deranged are the large size, full colour Jack Chick “Crusader Comics” which I was lucky enough to find a bundle of gathering dust in a religious shop a while back. Well worth hunting out for mucho mirth.
chris
January 6, 2009 at 2:36 ammessage to Heretics or anyone else in those photos: if you can find out from the scan who the photographer was it might be worth your while contacting the Press Association to find out if they still have these or any others on file. From what Martin C says about a pic being used in some kill-joy anti-solvent abuse propaganda it may be the case that this photo was listed as ‘punk sniffing glue’ or suchlike. Others from the same session may be just listed as ‘punks’. A journo would just send them a request for a photo to illustrate a topic and these photos might have been amongst those forwarded. I’d be surprised if drug education books were produced for kids much before the 80s.
Also, if I recall correctly the bod in the flasher mac (Sii?) also appreared as one of the auditionees in ‘Breaking Glass’? Please email me via Penguin and i’d be happy to rattle you off a copy of the film on DVD. Think a few more of you motley shower may have graced the silver screen in it too.
Sam
January 6, 2009 at 7:59 amWell spotted there Chris. Si was the bass player who leaped around during the audition, the fake windows and street behind him visibly rippling. I’m in it somewhere at the Hope and Anchor as is Sniper. A terrible film. It doesn’t bring back any nostalgic feelings with me. Same with the dreadful Rude Boy.
Phil R
January 6, 2009 at 8:59 amI did have the name of the photographer who took the Heretics photos at one time, and spent ages googleing him but never came up with anything.