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Due to popular demand…well a couple of people anyway, cheers Steve and Martin C, here in all it’s non glory is the Alternative TV set recorded at The Rat Club, based at The Pinder Of Wakefield pub, right down the bottom of Grays Inn Road in Kings Cross.<\/p>\n
This set was recorded on September 1977 in mono by Genesis P Orridge whilst in the crowd. Shame Genesis seems to not be able to keep his trap shut, a lot of this recording has his soft northern tones all over the tracks, which are not well recorded in the first place!<\/p>\n
Oh well…this record, firmly resting in the genre ‘listen for the quirky value only’, is quite difficult to really get into when the recording is THAT bad, but the gig itself seemed pretty fine. My scratchy copy of this disc also adds to the overall ‘naffness’ of the product.<\/p>\n
Other Alternative TV live and studio material is available on this site, which is of a far superior quality to this muddy mix, if you search for it.<\/p>\n
Also loads of Mark Perry related material that was recorded after Alternative TV split the first time, second time, third time etc…<\/p>\n
Here is a decent interview with Alternative TV in the middle of 1977 which makes up for the quality of the record above.<\/p>\n
By Jon Savage<\/p>\n
Originally published in Sounds<\/em><\/span>, 23 July 1977<\/span><\/p>\nNow: The Roxy these days is not what it was\u2014whatever shrill camera-lens sense of event there was in the Andy Czezowski days has totally gone. For atmosphere, read zero.<\/p>\n
It’s a case of Take the Money And Run\u2014if you can get as far as paying your money, that is. The crowd, if it bothers beyond the\u00a0Token Badge, is mostly dressed in the First Roxy Style (Soo Catwoman)\u2014fossilised six months on. Hardly the most receptive audience to anything outside the \u201cnew wave\u201d they’ve read about (in these pages) and heard on the Roxy<\/em> album. See the concert of the album of the club… frightening: from innovation to constriction\/restriction in a few months, New\/no wave.<\/p>\nAll of which of course no doubt may seem and probably is an elitist point of view: mass fashions always explode. When they hit the streets, it’s usually in a form objectionable to the \u201coriginators,\u201d or to the people who fondly imagined it THEIR very own property. But the question remains: what to do if you were in there at the start? And what happens when you become tired of writing about<\/em> events and want to create them?<\/p>\nSo this Thursday and Friday Sniffin’ Glue<\/em>‘s Mark P is playing<\/em>the Roxy as lead singer with Alternative TV: Alex Ferguson (guitar), Tyrone Thomas (bass) and (ex Gen-X) John Towe on drums. Their fifth and sixth gig\u2014and John Towe’s last (he’s leaving to concentrate on his own band, Stratagem). Mark is quitting the editorship of Sniffin’ Glue<\/em> after the next issue (11)\u2014a guest issue, anyway: he’s COMMITTED to this band, to moving on.<\/p>\nThe image is low-key: non-descript jackets and jeans (“We’ve got no money”), the music varies from straight-ahead 1977 rock, with pointed lyrics (‘Why don’t you do’\/’How much longer’)’ through a great Velvets\/Can\/reggae number (“Love Lies Limp”) to the out-and-out avant-garde\u2014tapes\/crescendos of noise\/pain\/stuttering guitar. The structure of the set is thought-out\u2014no time wasting\u2014but loose enough to admit improvisation and the ad-lib.<\/p>\n
Two songs, especially, are left open-ended; \u201cAlternatives To NATO\u201d, placed in the middle of the set, is obviously very important\u2014it’s a chance for Mark to say whatever he feels like saying on the night\u2014and ends with a segue into \u201cYou Bastard.\u201d \u201cLife\u201d, the penultimate song, begins with tapes (which also change every night) and ends on a screech peak: the tapes finally fill out the silence at the end of the set, as the band walk off.<\/p>\n
Truthfully, Thursday is rather hesitant: there are only about 25 people and it’d take WWII to move them<\/em>. Mark’s \u201cAlternatives to NATO\u201d rap is about a Russian take-over and the subsequent fawning acquiescence of politicians and the media. Already, he has a surprising presence, and the band play excellently\u2014it’s no use experimenting unless your base is right.<\/p>\nOn Friday though, they really catch fire: they do two new songs, \u201cATV\u201d (with a great hook) and \u201cDepression.\u201d Mark gets so involved with \u201cAlternatives to NATO\u201d that he smashes his guitar to the floor at the end. Tonight, he talks about the deadening power of television\u2014\u201cI used to come home every night from work and watch the TV, every night, and all you’d talk about the next day was what was on TV the night before\u201d\u2014and more.<\/p>\n
The tapes are provided by Genesis P. Orridge: little girls scream (flash to the Brady tapes)\/Lenny Bruce talks\/Genesis’ band, Throbbing Gristle, meander through a subterranean instrumental, \u201cDeadBait\u201d\u2014the tape (and gig) ends with the Television album played at 45, while Mark stares the audience out. They don’t know whether it’s intentional or a cueing mistake: a brilliant messing with preconceptions, perceptions.<\/p>\n
One of the songs, \u201cHow Much Longer\u201d, deals with the new wave fan as a stereotype, among others\u2014\u201cHow much longer will people wear \/ Nazi armbands, dye their hair \/ wear safety-pins spray your clothes\u201d\u2014I ask about Mark’s attitude to what’s happened:<\/p>\n
\u201cThe thing I’m confronted with at the moment, it’s like you said, there’s no new wave, only rock\u2014but in the early days I was walking around with the false impression I was gonna change the world\u2014y’know, the early Glues\u2014<\/em>I admit now I was naive.<\/p>\n\u201cThe only way you learn things, like the media, like fashions change, is by experience: in the last six months, the experience turned into a restriction. And the bands: whether they wanted to or not, they packed it in, confined themselves to clothes\u2014even on that level, we’re not gonna confine ourselves. We’d never pressure any of the band, like Tyrone, to cut his hair….\u201d<\/p>\n
Right. But aren’t you going to get some stick from the audience (a few people were barracking), and how you gonna avoid making the same mistakes?<\/p>\n
Alex: \u201cAah\u2014the verbal backlash… one example was the Brighton thing: after \u2018Alternatives to NATO\u2019 we got one clap. And y’know that blank expression: it’s this attitude more. It’s really funny, but we expected it\u2014it may get to a stage where it gets really heavy.\u201d Mark: \u201cIf anybody throws anything at us, I just wanna explain<\/em> to them\u2014not how silly they are, ‘cos they aren’t\u2014but just explain our<\/em> position when they do it. I do get a shock when people react like that… but when they talk… I think they’ve got just as much right to say anything as we have. I think it’s good\u2014that they’ve got the guts to shout it out… I never had the guts.\u201d<\/p>\nAnd what about the media’s policy of divide and rule via sensationalism\u2014y’know, set the teds against the punks and they’ll waste so much energy fighting themselves that… and the use of TV\/papers as a medium of social control? Some of Mark’s lyrics (Guardian Times Observer<\/em>) and Thursday’s \u201cAlternatives to NATO\u201d touch on this:<\/p>\n\u201cI can’t wait to tell them kids the truth \/ What it’s all about \/ ‘Cos they read the Mirror<\/em> and they believe<\/em> it \/ that’s what’s so sad….\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Memphis \/ Love Lies Limp \/ My Hand Was Still Wet \/ Sleep In Bed \/ Life \/ How Much Longer Alternatives To N.A.T.O. \/ You Bastard \/ Why Don’t You Do Me Right? \/ Total Switch Off Due to popular demand…well a couple of people anyway, cheers Steve and Martin C, here in all […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-728","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-links-downloads"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/728","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=728"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/728\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=728"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=728"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/killyourpetpuppy.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=728"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
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