Webcore – Cinematography – A Real Kavoom Tapes – 1984

Exit The Fear / Jack Smack / Shades Of Light / Son Of Man / Webcore Atman

Poison Without Trace / Captains Table / Eden Tide / The Feather Mask And This Prophet Gear

Webcore’s first offering, all the way from Cornwall, mainstays of Club Dog and many squat gigs and free festivals…

Loved the ‘Mick Karn’ bass sound on Webcore releases and live gigs.

What I can not find is too much information on the band anywhere on the internet so you will have to make do with an interview with the Webcore keyboardist Paul Chousmer on the aural-innovations.com site.

Roughly four or five years ago I was in England for both a vacation and to start collecting stock for a psychedelic mail order that I ran for a while. Most of what I bought was directly from the bands themselves or band members. This was still when you could write to an address off of a tape case or a compact disc insert and some one would respond to you. I don’t really remember how I had got Paul Chousmer’s number and address. But I did contact him before my vacation and he agreed to meet with me. He was even kind enough to drive into London so that I could buy a few items from him. It didn’t really hit me that the person I was going to meet had been there for all of the eighties U.K. Psych/Free Fest scene or that he was moving quite gracefully into the electronic and dance clubs. Musically his style has always been similar to ENO. His ability to create mind bending soundscapes is uncanny. They lift you and take you to places you’ve only dreamed of.

One of the first groups he was with was as big of a major attraction as the Ozric Tentacles. More than often they could be found playing the same gigs. Forming in 1982, Webcore’s music was more progressive then their contemporaries. Though still heavily psychedelic their sound is often mechanical and much more structured.

It was during the Webcore years that Paul developed his soundscapes. He and fellow Webcore member Dan Carpenter formed the chillout group Another Green World. Their title describes their music to a tee. They originally formed to play the early morning chillouts at a regular Ozric/Webcore venue Alice in Wonderland. This led to the all-too-common draw at Club Dog, the Deptford Crypt, and later Whirly-Gig and Return to the Source shows, one of which I attended at the Brixton Academy in 1996.

Shorty after Webcore faded in 1988 Paul focused his attention on Another Green World only taking time out to work with The Thunderdogs (the trippy house band for a traveling circus) and Spannerman (a spin off of the Thunderdogs). Then in 1993 he joined up with Phil Pickering and Mick West of Webcore to form Zuvuya. Mixing tribal and dance rhythms with the textured sound washes of Another Green World they became one of the earlier bands signed to the Delerium label. For these releases they collaborated with the psychedelic guru Terrence McKenna.

Though Paul is no longer with Zuvuya he has continued with Another Green World. He has released various compilation tracks with the Return to the Source group, and on Club Crusty Vol 1, Shamanarchy in the U.K., and the Dubmission label. He also has a full compact disc release on the Magick Eye label. I was lucky enough this last April to be in England when Paul had a gig in Exeter. The show was held at the Phoenix. Once I made it past the metal bird above the entrance that came alive every so often to open its glowing red eyes and spread its wings I witnessed a show that blew me away. Pure electronic psych, dub, dance bliss. Joining him on stage playing guitar, another of my favourite performers, was Russ of the Oroonies (another great festy psych band which spawned Joie of the Ozrics and later Eat Static ).

Paul recently performed as Another Green World for the Return to the Sources New Years Eve celebration at the Rocket.

DS: Can you give me an idea of your history musically?

PC: Webcore has some complicated roots. I’ll try to draw a family tree.

Vane – formed in Chelmsford, Essex 1981-3. We released two singles on Island.

James Vain – Vox

Phil Pickering – Bass – Webcore/Zuvuya

Clive Roberts – Guitar – later owned Trace Elliot

Colin Woolway – Drums

Paul Chousmer – Keys

Ring of Roses – formed in 1984. Signed to RCA Records for 100,000 Pounds though never released anything.

James Vain – Vox

Richard Havis – Guitar

Chris ??? – drums – later went on to play with Zodiac Mindwarp

??? – Bass

Dan “Spannerman” Carpenter – Sax

Paul Chousmer – Keys – left after four months

Webcore – formed in Cornwall in 1984 and lasted until 1987. Released several self-released cassettes, 2 LP’s and 2 12″s through Jungle Records.

Mick West – Vox

Phil Pickering – Bass

Paul Chousmer – Keys

Clive Goodwin – Guitar – later Ozrics sound engineer

Colin Woolway – Drums

Nick Van Gelder – Drums – had played with the Ozrics earlier-went on to Jamiroquai

Dan Carpenter – Sax occasionally

Mike ??? – left to join a monastery

Jackie Hannah – backing vox

Karen Kay – backing vox

Another Green World also started in 1984 when Dan and I left Ring of Roses. And it just keeps going…

Did you know about the Thunderdogs? The band played with Circus Archaos all over Europe and Scandinavia from 1990 to 1992.

Thunderdogs

Tony “Dog” D’Amico – Vox

Gavin Griffiths – Guitar – previously with the Ozrics and Ullulators

Dan Spannerman – Sax

Jonny Ellwood – Drums

Seaweed – Keys – now with Ozrics

Gabrielli – bass

Sound engineer and occasional pianist was me. And Stuart Zehnder and Generator John were along for the ride, sometimes tecking. You can see that these bands were fairly incestuous. Dan and Jackie have a son together, Jackie’s brother is Stuart Zehnder who played bass for Spannerman and then Jamiroquai also.

DS: I’ve never heard either Vane or Ring of Roses before. What was their music like?

PC: Oh it was such a long time ago… Vane was primarily psychedelic, but remember this was the early eighties so we had just come out of the punk revolution here and were fishing about with Goth and New Romantic styles. We were very much into electric sounds and effects. So imagine if you can: we were fronted by James Vain, 6’4″ tall, skinny as a rake, loads of make-up, electric coloured hair (he was influenced a lot by Bowie’s transformations – but dissolute as Lou Reed!), low lights, big bass, electronic noises all over the place – can you picture this? Very much a precursor to what Webcore got up to. A little less danceable, but much better looking! The band got fairly well known around the seedier underground scene in London. Great fun and fond memories.

DS: What about Ring of Roses?

PC: Ring of Roses was James Vane’s attempt to ‘get commercial’ (He had already blown the deal with Island Records after releasing two dreadful singles), so the songs were still vaguely psychedelic/new romantic, but very polished with definite ‘understandable’ lyrics and structures. With the help of a typical low-life manager the band signed to RCA for 100,000 Pounds, then fell to pieces – really RCA were impressed by the band’s appearance more than anything. The A&R man who signed the band left the company shortly after the signing. Always a bad sign. So the money got frittered away and nothing was ever released! What a sad story.

DS: How would you describe Webcore?

PC: Webcore were often described as way ahead of their time (at the time, if you can see what I mean.) I sort of took the roll of manager as nobody else would and we played everywhere. I (and Ed ‘Ozric’ Wynne) took the same view that the best way to publicize ourselves was to play wherever we could. So we often found ourselves at the same dodgy benefit gigs. All sorts of squats, free festivals, you name it. So we got a reputation for playing together all of the time. I’ve always thought our music was completely different. I felt there was a common psychedelic thread and we were always up for a party. Then Club Dog started (by Mike Dog, who later had the Ultimate Record label with groups like Eat Static and Senser) Webcore, the Ozric Tentacles and Another Green World all became regulars. And we grew with it.

DS: I agree that Webcore’s music was ahead of its time at the time. What would you say were the musical influences of the group?

PC: Our influences at the time inevitably included ENO, but also Psychic TV, Siouxsie and the Banshees, it’s difficult to say now from this distance in time. I would say we brought lots of different things together. Mick was a poet not a singer, so that was his approach. Trying to make his words fit. My idea was to create atmospheres behind the songs. Setting the scene. We were all experimenting. Just trying out ideas and if they felt good. It’s funny now that I’m teaching I see loads of young bands coming together. They all seem to want to sound like somebody else. The A&R mentality of copying whatever the last big hit was! We didn’t think that way at all back then!

DS: Webcore’s music also seems quite different from much of the other free fest bands like the Ozrics and Psi. How do you feel that Webcore fit into this scene?

PC: You’d have to ask this one of the audience really. I find it very hard to be objective. I would say that I was always surprised that Webcore’s audience danced a lot. I didn’t think of our music as dance music. This was fairly unusual in the free fest scene. Our music was also quite structured. Not totally, there was some room for improvisation. But there were definite maps to follow. The other bands seemed to be more into long wibble solos etc…

DS: How did Spannerman fit into the fold?

PC: Spannerman came together while we were all in the circus. We were getting bored, so we became the party band. When the circus finished we carried on. We played for a summer in 1992 with an offshoot circus “Matarank” at the Avignon Theater Festival in France. Clive Goodwin came along with his PA and looked after the sound. I left the band shortly after this as I was starting a family. The band then changed with Jonny Ellwood taking over on drums etc… We used to describe Spannerman as “psychedelic-punk-jazz.”

DS: If I remember right you played with the Fields of the Nephilim for a short while.

PC: The Fields of the Nephilim link came through Jungle Records. They had put out a couple of singles through Jungle before signing to Beggars Banquet. And the Field’s manager, Steve Brown, was a partner of Jungle. I was working at London University in 1988 or ’89 when they were looking for a keyboard player. They remembered me from some gigs when Webcore supported the Fields in the early days and tracked me down. That was great fun. I played on six tours in the U.K., Germany and France and also on their live LP. I really enjoyed myself.

DS: What became of Zuvuya? PC: Dunno the answer to this. I broke off contact with these people for reasons I’d rather not discuss. I made some music with them and it was put out through Delerium.

DS: What are your feelings on the festival scene of the eighties?

PC: You have to remember there was a right wing government ruling here at the time, with that bitch Thatcher at the helm. Lots of unemployment, kids on the dole, etc… Punk had run its course. We were all getting politicized. Stonehenge free festival was banned and suppressed by the police with a heavy hand. So free festivals were often a way to protest. We were all squatting, traveling. I have fond memories of that time. People were thinking of the world around them. I look at the kids now. They have no idea about politics. Nothing to protest about I suppose. The legacy of the Thatcher years is that everyone is out for themselves. Make as much money for yourself as you can and screw everyone else. I think that Reagan and his cronies did the same sort of thing over there.

DS: Through your music as Another Green World, you as an individual have moved quite easily from the scene in the eighties right into the club scene of the nineties and on. How do you feel about the club sound and what are you writing these days?

PC: I really like the music I hear in clubs these days. But it only sounds good in the clubs! In that atmosphere and loud. Most of it doesn’t seem to work when I put it on at home. However loud! In that sense I don’t really understand how I fit in. I actively try to make music that transports you from your armchair at home to some other place, without necessarily being really loud. This is important to me. So I keep in contact with these clubs, send them what I am doing. I just do what I do and they book me if they like it. This is probably quite old-fashioned these days. Everything is high sell, throwaway.

DS: Would you mind naming a few of the bands that you have supported or that have supported you in the past?

PC: Webcore supported on occasion:

Psychic TV

Fields of the Nephilim

Doctor and the Medics

Zodiac Mindwarp

Daevid Allen

Ozric Tentacles

Another Green World has played with:

Eat Static

Astralasia

Banco de Gaia

Cheapsuit Oroonies

DS: What are your influences?

PC: I have all sorts of influences. Holger Czukay, Erik Satie, Lee Scratch Perry, Thelonious Sphere Monk. These days I listen to a lot of early Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, Albinoni and Klezmer music. Dub seems to be another common thread. I’ve taken a long time finding the nerve to play dub live. It certainly takes me to some of the places I want to go. I hope it does the same for the audience. Who knows where it will take me next.

DS: What are you teaching at University?

PC: I teach a variety of things musical at the colleges. Music Technology, Keyboard Skills, Music Theory and Music Business. All very time consuming. But it earns a living and is rewarding in other ways. It can also be very frustrating. Under-resourced equipment, unmotivated students etc…

DS: What equipment do you use live as Another Green World?

PC:Roland Jupitar 6

Korg M1

Oberheim Matrix-1000

Roland s-550 sampler

Lexicon Vortex

Yamaha SPX90

Alesis Quadraverb

Soundcraft mixer

DS: What do you feel the future holds for you musically?

PC: I’ll just polish the crystal ball!… I don’t know. I just carry on putting together music that appeals to me. And if other people like it great. I’ve never been terribly ambitious. I’ve always felt Music to be my vocation. I need to do it. And it’s nice when some money comes back from it. I have some vague ideas about getting into producing for other people or making film music. But it is high pressure work. And I prefer to work at my own (snail-like) pace. I have to have time to polish my work. I have been playing real instruments recently in a Klezmer band, with Russ and Jane of the Oroonies, and this is excellent exercise for the brain. In the very long term I suppose I will probably find myself playing piano jazz in my eighties. Though it is bound to be weirder than that!!!

Discography:

Webcore

Cassettes: Cinematography (A Real Kavoom ARK 4) 1984

The Great Unfolding (A Real Kavoom ARK 16) 1986

Consider The River (M.E.L.T. Music) 1987

12″: The Captians Table (Jungle/A Real Kavoom JUNG 30T/ARK23)

Running for the Precident (JUNG 34T/ARK25) Both 1987

Albums: Webcore (FREUD16/ARK27) 1987

WebcoreWebcore (FREUD22/ARK32) 1988

Spannerman

Cassettes: Leave it Mandy! 1992

Zuvuya

12″: Grabbing Nandi by the Horns (Nation NR026T) 1993

Shaman I Am (Delerium DELEC EP 031) 1993

Albums: Dream Matrix Telemetry (DELEC CD 021) 1993

Shamania (DELEC CD 031) 1994

Another Green World

Cassettes: My Dreams in Your Hands (AGW 001) 1984

Boondocks (AGW 002) 1988

Adjusting the Mirror (AGW 003) 1993

Albums: Invisible Landscape (Magick Eye) 1997

Video: Ambiotic State 1994

73 comments on “Webcore – Cinematography – A Real Kavoom Tapes – 1984

  1. Glen on said:

    Karen,

    I think I can put you in touch with C-Live, who I used to engineer many of the Club Dog gigs with, if you think that’d be any help with getting hold of Mick.

  2. phil on said:

    A re-union… those timeless moments in the music that happen live when everyone is synced… we are we are we are still there… always have been… the source of inspiration… a sense of essence… it would be beautiful if our shoes would lead us to that moment… Two-get-Her Once again…

    Thanks everyone for sparking up and still passing it round… you are the light of the world.

    It’s not surprising
    We’ll still sing this in twenty years or more
    We’ve done with hiding
    From things we know and things we can’t ignore
    The truth sometimes can seem so cold and frightening
    You are your key
    You are your lock
    You are your open door

  3. Comments are starting to get interesting :-)

    Seeing Webcore again would be a dream come true, if it happens please make sure it gets announced here….I would hate to miss that one !!

    Played all of Cinematography and some of The Great Unfolding on the way to work today and loved it. I do play these regularly though and have done since I bought the tapes at the Cricklewood Hotel way back when…..

    Someone needs to find Mick ;-)

  4. Nice to see the great and the good commenting on this site. Hi all.
    Would one of you ex Webcore members like to:

    a/ write a small biography of Webcore / A Real Kavoom as no such thing exists on the web and it would be great to have one up written and credited to someone that knows, up heading both the Webcore cassette posts.

    b/ write a small biography on Vane, again nothing I can find exists and I want to place the 5 track A.R.K tape up on the KYPP site at some point soon.
    It would be a very small post if I have no info to go with it, and although I witnessed Webcore several times at various Club Dogs, Mankind squat above Hackney Central overground station, 121 Club, the squatted Jungle building in Islington and various other top notch venues I never saw Vane or know anything about them. Think the Webcore bassist and vocalist was in them but even that I am not sure about. Actually only the bassist I think.
    Like I say would be good to have Vane up with AGW and these Webcore releases on the A.R.K. label but no Vane will go up if I have not a snippet of info on the band. Will google them now see if anything has changed, but nowt was up a couple of years ago.

    Hope you folk take in some of the other posts I have created these last three and a bit years, some good stuff uploaded.

    If any of you want to give any biography a try (can be just a few paragraphs if you want) then mention it up on this comment board and then I will private mail you. I have the POWER!

    If none of you have time to write anything up then fair nuff as well!

    All the best,

    Oh and any photos of Webcore / Vane would also be welcomed to boost the posts…

  5. Phil on said:

    Hey it’s really incredible to see such great feedback and enthusiasm after so many years have gone by. Its amazing that those cassettes havent disintegrated and are still playable. Mine were stashed in an attic somewhere in Cornwall… terrible to wonder how the climate might have affected them… especially over the most recent years. If anyone has any remnants of those recordings lying under piles of dust somewhere (jinkster, pOoTer, Penguin (good one mate) any of you) and has the inspiration to mp3 em and make them available by uploading please please do it with my blessing and thanks.

    Any of the A.R.K. stuff from Goat, Eden, Vane, Imago, Webcore would be great to see posted. (Cant speak for the Ozrics , Oroonies or Green World as those werent directly from me but from friends although knowing those people, it would surprise me if they opposed it.) and like MiQuest requested, any surviving bootlegs would be wonderfull to hear… might even help us to learn the songs again and get out and about once more!

    It wasnt the spirit of Webcore. Webcore was a reaction to it just like you were all reacting to it and if hearing some of those sounds lets you feel it still, well that makes me very happy… blown away really.

    To look into your eyes and realize
    To recognise your real eyes
    With this feeling
    Nothing can stop us now

  6. Phil,
    I saved my tapes for decades without playing them then converted them to MP3 so now I can enjoy them without fear of snapping cassette tape…. :-)

  7. Phil on said:

    Excellent pOoTer. Mine were never so lucky and with me having been in Colombia for the past ten years or so with the tapes hopefully still in my mother’s attic in Cornwall, well…. So are you into posting them up to somewhere accessible on web then? Or if that all sounds a bit daunting maybe we could do a ppp or remote desktop thing and you could give me access to them direct from your drive … if you’re into it and it’s not to much to ask? It would be really appreciated :)

  8. Phil,
    You can reach me via my site (click on my name above), send me an email (please put something obvious in the subject line of your message as I get lots of Spam…)

  9. Phil on said:

    Hey Penguin…

    On the case…

    Let me see what can be gathered re: photos.

    In the meantime hereś a few that have been sent to me in just the last few weeks:

    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=22510&id=100000022780978&l=d80b0954c3

    Make Contact…

  10. Nice one Phil. I have the Vane tape here ready to upload if you can supply even a little info on this band to ‘fill up the post’ a little bit!!!

  11. i think you guys should do a webcore reunion gig.

    and its great this thread here is so alive leeee…

    im trying to piece it togther using pieces of my mind
    it might be something only you can find

    (my words)

    erm what im trying to say is…

    who were the actually regular band members of webcore?
    and where abouts are they now?

    and jinkster above what were these recordings you found on chrome dioxide tape????

    curioussssssssssss

    love and music

    chris

  12. its the lack of a spiritual dimension to most modern music that makes the atmospherics of webcore sound STILL so enticing.

    theirs a mix of dark and light and mysterious shade…

    such things will not fade

    for any of the band members of webcore now, if you drop by, what are you listening to now…?

  13. Here’s something I just remembered…

    My brother did a hand drawn animation while he was a college of one of webcore tracks..took him months and it was beautiful…

    Be good to get that up huh????

  14. Nathalie on said:

    Hi there

    I posted here a couple of years ago when I was searching the Webcore material and Another Greenworld. I popped by today because I have a great project. a dream and as I can see this forum still seem to have regulars, I may as well post my project details here too (am going around various psychedelic related forums Facebook pages etc… so here goes.

    This is a long shot but am looking for any Alice in Wonderland goers (I noticed one of you mentionning they were) from back in the mid 80’s. I would like to try and revive the best party there ever was and am trying to track down as many peeps as possible. Well then I need to find hands on “organisers” who will do the rest, but then that’s another episode. I can’t do much without Clive’s interest (Dr. & Medics) anyway, so the good chance is that this will become a dying project. So I don’t want anymore to get too excited to avoid disappointment LOL

    I have dedicated a Facebook page where people can do a “like”, this will give me an idea if anyone is interested and see if things should be taken further.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/…48675775157147

    I guess I need someone “important” who can talk to even more “important” people, who are in the business of booking events, to make this happen :=). What would be great is a mini afternoon/night festival with a couple of bands and then a DJ to play our favourite psychedelic stuff.

    Hey I noticed since my last post, a guy from Webcore visited here….cool

    Cheers

  15. Nathalie on said:

    Sorry broke the link above from cutting and pasting…here goes:

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Alice-in-Wonderland-at-Gossips-Magical-Mystery-Trip-Reunion/148675775157147

    @Pooter are you the Pooterland website owner, is that your own stuff ? I discovered it years ago and was well chuffed to find it and particularly to find all of Christian Paris’ artwork. I had chucked all my original flyers dohhhh! and was able to print all of them from the site and I have put them up at home (well in my garage bar :=)

  16. Dinah Judith on said:

    Hey

    Anyone still on a “Where are they now?” mission, Dan Spanner (Carpenter) can be found here – http://www.spannerjazzpunks.co.uk

  17. Jacqueline Hanna on said:

    I was with WEBCORE for a while, liberating for the Space Goth. I am alive and well a giging under the name of FAWNAMARINE see myspace and facebook. mMy Band after WEBCORE was the THORNZ with my brother Stuart who formed JAMIROQIUAI and thats about it. MUSIC today is better than ever.

  18. Well I first saw Webcore at the Woolpack in Buckingham. I am sure Gerald White played with them at sometime. I became the resident sound guy at the Countapoint in MK. We hosted Another Green World many many times. And Spanner man. I still have the live cassettes somewhere. I got to know Paul and Dan very well and spoke to them a while back when they had a myspace page.

  19. chris on said:

    so, another night devouring some good ales and reminiscing the past through music

    webcore feature strongly as a vibe of creativity and musical passion

    where ever you are people, it would be good to hear you again…

    so good, so excellent in fact..original and brilliant

    captivating.

    recreate to switch the other?

    please?

  20. Comfyluxnick on said:

    Great to read about Webcore,easily the best of the festival bands from back then. I’ve got a tape of them live from Torpedo Town in 86, will upload it,if no-one has any objections.

  21. David Jewitt on said:

    Webcore were in a league of their own. Good to see Phil and Michael here…thanks for the memories and the amazing material you recorded. I’d love to see you live again..!

  22. Comfyluxnick on said:

    Hope it’s alright to post this on your site, but here’s Webcore at Torpedo Town Free Fest in 1986, takes me right back, great night,great festival, strange to think there was a fairly huge free do in Hampshire not so long after the whole Stoney Cross,anti convoy, media circus. Anyway, it’s not a bad audience tape, captures the whole atmosphere pretty well-http://www.mediafire.com/download/uqo9nfmje594c76/webcore.mp3

  23. Miquest on said:

    Nice post Comfyluxnick ;-) Happy days…

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