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	<title>Comments on: The Crassical Collection &#8211; The remastered Crass CD out now!</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89655</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We did reform for one gig in December 1981, when we played on the same bill as The Apostles, Cold War, What Is Oil? and some local Southend bands at The Spread Eagle in Southend. Theres talk of reforming for a couple of gigs some time just for the fun of it, maybe at the 12 Bar Club in Denmark Street where our old guitarist has some connections I believe...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did reform for one gig in December 1981, when we played on the same bill as The Apostles, Cold War, What Is Oil? and some local Southend bands at The Spread Eagle in Southend. Theres talk of reforming for a couple of gigs some time just for the fun of it, maybe at the 12 Bar Club in Denmark Street where our old guitarist has some connections I believe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89654</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheers Al - when we inevitably started to become musically competent after a few months of gigging and rehearsing we did the decent thing and split up...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Al &#8211; when we inevitably started to become musically competent after a few months of gigging and rehearsing we did the decent thing and split up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AL Puppy</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89626</link>
		<dc:creator>AL Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walking home at 2 am... is a classic Graham. Definitely the Stripey&#039;s are/were unrecuperable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walking home at 2 am&#8230; is a classic Graham. Definitely the Stripey&#8217;s are/were unrecuperable.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89617</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Stripey Zebras never got recuperated either!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stripey Zebras never got recuperated either!</p>
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		<title>By: AL Puppy</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89552</link>
		<dc:creator>AL Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, quick bit of deconstruction before bed.

Clint said :
Such passive bullshit, what is with some people?
Were you there?
Where are you now?
Who the fuck are you?
How have you lived?
I can’t believe that i’m reading/hearing/being subjected to the same subjective crap all these years/decades later!
Crass, decanted the whole can of worms &amp; oh so many people missed the point &amp; disappeared up their own existence trying to pull them apart.
Get ya’ own phuckin’ art out then, qunts!
The name of the band tells you everything you need to know about it’s detractors.

Which I read as saying “Crass were an important and influential group who put a lot of effort into their work. It is really annoying that they still get criticised by people who never made the same efforts and are generally negative rather than positive.”

But where does that leave the ‘myth’ of Crass?  By this I mean the lazy assumption that Crass = anarcho-punk so ‘anarcho-punk’ just means ’Crass fan’ ? So you can get an academic like George McKay writing a history of ’cultural resistance since the sixties’ [in his book Senseless Acts of Beauty Fair, published in 1996] saying that Crass alone out of the punk/post-punk groups avoided recuperation and maintained their political and artistic autonomy… but when I questioned him about the statement , he admitted he was unaware of  Rubella Ballet, Zounds, The Mob, The Apostles etc., of the Centro Iberico and the various post-Wapping anarchy centres.

 Crass had a high enough media profile to register outside the anarcho-punk scene and so get included in such sociology as political history  studies. The complex, dynamic and confusing reality - as illustrated by the sheer diversity of musics available here on KYPP - gets lost and only Crass remain and all the other voices get drowned out.

Maybe what you are hearing as ‘passive bullshit‘ and ‘the same subjective crap‘ are just some of those other voices saying different things, having points of view and perspectives different to Crass. Maybe Crass themselves were just one voice among many, one version of anarchy and punk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, quick bit of deconstruction before bed.</p>
<p>Clint said :<br />
Such passive bullshit, what is with some people?<br />
Were you there?<br />
Where are you now?<br />
Who the fuck are you?<br />
How have you lived?<br />
I can’t believe that i’m reading/hearing/being subjected to the same subjective crap all these years/decades later!<br />
Crass, decanted the whole can of worms &#038; oh so many people missed the point &#038; disappeared up their own existence trying to pull them apart.<br />
Get ya’ own phuckin’ art out then, qunts!<br />
The name of the band tells you everything you need to know about it’s detractors.</p>
<p>Which I read as saying “Crass were an important and influential group who put a lot of effort into their work. It is really annoying that they still get criticised by people who never made the same efforts and are generally negative rather than positive.”</p>
<p>But where does that leave the ‘myth’ of Crass?  By this I mean the lazy assumption that Crass = anarcho-punk so ‘anarcho-punk’ just means ’Crass fan’ ? So you can get an academic like George McKay writing a history of ’cultural resistance since the sixties’ [in his book Senseless Acts of Beauty Fair, published in 1996] saying that Crass alone out of the punk/post-punk groups avoided recuperation and maintained their political and artistic autonomy… but when I questioned him about the statement , he admitted he was unaware of  Rubella Ballet, Zounds, The Mob, The Apostles etc., of the Centro Iberico and the various post-Wapping anarchy centres.</p>
<p> Crass had a high enough media profile to register outside the anarcho-punk scene and so get included in such sociology as political history  studies. The complex, dynamic and confusing reality &#8211; as illustrated by the sheer diversity of musics available here on KYPP &#8211; gets lost and only Crass remain and all the other voices get drowned out.</p>
<p>Maybe what you are hearing as ‘passive bullshit‘ and ‘the same subjective crap‘ are just some of those other voices saying different things, having points of view and perspectives different to Crass. Maybe Crass themselves were just one voice among many, one version of anarchy and punk.</p>
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		<title>By: AL Puppy</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89547</link>
		<dc:creator>AL Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on Clint. I am getting bored waiting for a decent argument. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Clint. I am getting bored waiting for a decent argument.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c</a></p>
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		<title>By: AL Puppy</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-89540</link>
		<dc:creator>AL Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Clint Flick - but was it a fresh can of worms that Crass opened ?
Or did they recycle a stale can of worms - rehearsing the rhetoric of 1969, which was ancient past not recent history for the 1979 generation?

Supporting evidence- &#039;We can be together&#039; by Jefferson Airplane.
  
We are all outlaws in the eyes of america 
In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fred hide and deal 
We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young 
But we should be together 
Come on all you people standing around 
Our life&#039;s too fine to let it die and 
We can be together 
All your private property is 
Target for your enemy 
And your enemy is 
We 
We are forces of chaos and anarchy 
Everything they say we are we are 
And we are very 
Proud of ourselves 
Up against the wall 
Up against the wall fred (motherfucker) 
Tear down the walls 
Tear down the walls]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clint Flick &#8211; but was it a fresh can of worms that Crass opened ?<br />
Or did they recycle a stale can of worms &#8211; rehearsing the rhetoric of 1969, which was ancient past not recent history for the 1979 generation?</p>
<p>Supporting evidence- &#8216;We can be together&#8217; by Jefferson Airplane.</p>
<p>We are all outlaws in the eyes of america<br />
In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fred hide and deal<br />
We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young<br />
But we should be together<br />
Come on all you people standing around<br />
Our life&#8217;s too fine to let it die and<br />
We can be together<br />
All your private property is<br />
Target for your enemy<br />
And your enemy is<br />
We<br />
We are forces of chaos and anarchy<br />
Everything they say we are we are<br />
And we are very<br />
Proud of ourselves<br />
Up against the wall<br />
Up against the wall fred (motherfucker)<br />
Tear down the walls<br />
Tear down the walls</p>
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		<title>By: CLiNT FLiCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLiNT FLiCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hire a life some of you, cos you obviously can&#039;t afford a whole one, alternatively, get a twelve pack down the 7/11.

Such passive bullshit, what is with some people?

Were you there?
Where are you now?
Who the fuck are you?
How have you lived?

I can&#039;t believe that i&#039;m reading/hearing/being subjected to the same subjective crap all these years/decades later!

Crass, decanted the whole can of worms &amp; oh so many people missed the point &amp; disappeared up their own existence trying to pull them apart.
Get ya&#039; own phuckin&#039; art out then, qunts!

The name of the band tells you everything you need to know about it&#039;s detractors.

Pfffttt!

APF

...T.V.BaBiES!..(copyright control)

x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hire a life some of you, cos you obviously can&#8217;t afford a whole one, alternatively, get a twelve pack down the 7/11.</p>
<p>Such passive bullshit, what is with some people?</p>
<p>Were you there?<br />
Where are you now?<br />
Who the fuck are you?<br />
How have you lived?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that i&#8217;m reading/hearing/being subjected to the same subjective crap all these years/decades later!</p>
<p>Crass, decanted the whole can of worms &amp; oh so many people missed the point &amp; disappeared up their own existence trying to pull them apart.<br />
Get ya&#8217; own phuckin&#8217; art out then, qunts!</p>
<p>The name of the band tells you everything you need to know about it&#8217;s detractors.</p>
<p>Pfffttt!</p>
<p>APF</p>
<p>&#8230;T.V.BaBiES!..(copyright control)</p>
<p>x</p>
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		<title>By: jock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if they do air their dirty linen in public will it all be black?
i dont get all this bitchy shit,steve seems a decent guy,lot of hate still out there regarding crass,even tho they finished half a lifetime ago.oh what a shame...........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if they do air their dirty linen in public will it all be black?<br />
i dont get all this bitchy shit,steve seems a decent guy,lot of hate still out there regarding crass,even tho they finished half a lifetime ago.oh what a shame&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: AL Puppy</title>
		<link>http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/the-crassical-collection-remastered-crass-out-now/comment-page-2/#comment-88635</link>
		<dc:creator>AL Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the least the ex-Beatles were a bit more creative with their bitching when they fell out- McCartney wrote &#039;Too Many People&#039; about Lennon on his Ram album  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU
and then Lennon wrote &#039; How do you sleep&#039; about McCartney on his Imagine album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the least the ex-Beatles were a bit more creative with their bitching when they fell out- McCartney wrote &#8216;Too Many People&#8217; about Lennon on his Ram album  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU</a><br />
and then Lennon wrote &#8216; How do you sleep&#8217; about McCartney on his Imagine album. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcN_po80sKU</a></p>
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