Sons Of Bad Breath – Wood Green Art Centre, London, N22 – 1985
Sons Of Bad Breath performance
Pretty good recording of Monty and his Sons Of Bad Breath thrashers giving it all the effort they could muster on the night.
Part of the infamous Hackney Hell Crew. Pretty rough bunch of heavy drinking and heavy speeding squatters that formed an axis of bands such as Blower, Eat Shit, God Told Me To Do It and of course Sons Of Bad Breath.
Amongst the Hell Crew were Monty, Ollie, Pus, Simo, Martin, Animal, Napoleon, Sean, Bully, Alien and Scruff from Gateshead.
Some of the Hell Crew did not survive passed the 1980′s, the ones that did hopefully are well enough. I was very pleased to see Ollie in Bristol in the early 1990′s at a Gunshot (UK Hip Hop) performance (on a boat in the docks that is actually a club). Ollie was well Nike’d up and looking well, in some tracksuit clobber. Very much a change from when I had last saw him, while on one of my regular visits to 108 Brougham Road to see Andy Martin and Dave Fanning. At that time in the mid 1980′s, a whole bunch of the Hell Crew were camped out at this house including both Pus and Simo, two that did not make it through to the next decade.
Thanks to Clint for sending this tape in, and thanks to Mike from Decadent Few for recording it for Clint in the first place.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am
Haven’t heard ‘Alfie Noakes’ for a long time…
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pm
had not heard any sons of bad breath for years so ta for this.first met monty around 84 when he came up to manchester for a conflict gig and put the lot of them up for the night afterwards.
ended up moving down to that london and living with him and other scottish folk in a house behind the packington estate in islington.monty seemed to know london like the back of his hand and would take me on walks all over the capital lasting all day sometimes.he’d spent sometime in the army so i guess he was used to all that marching,the speed also helped.
havent seen him for years,last time being at an all day gig in notts when bagpipes was still a pup.
oh yeah,he was once a roadie for the 80′s band ‘joeboxers’.
a top bloke,hope yer well.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Gally, Gally, Gally, how the fuck are you? I`m alright, still bobbin and weavin. I live in Bristol now,still go to gigs(had a great time at Rebellion) and still havent learned to behave yet. Bagpipes lived until he was nearly 13(and a bit of a local legend), got a English Bull called Fred now. I hope yer feet recovered from all that walkin. Recently me `n Martin done a interview for next Ian Glasper book(out this year) and I did Int/vw for “Negative Reaction” zine no.11, only interviews I`ve ever done without coppers present. Glad to hear your ok. Adios, Monti………..To get a copy of “Negative Reaction”no.11 contact trevhagl@hotmail.com zine also features 4 Skins and Oi Polloi and much more. I aint heard Alfie Noakes for ages either but he`ll always have a place in my heart.
August 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am
hi monti,i’m well,been living back in manchester for last few years after living here there and everywhere.sean from eat shit mentioned on another post on this site you were down in bristol ,hells angel?
good to hear your alive and well,good to hear this old tape as well.
will try and check out the interviews you mentioned.
wasnt someone planning on releasing a sons of bad breath lp?
great to hear from you after all these years fella
August 26th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Sons of badbreath going to be part of a Hackney compilation album on Dutch label Wicked Witch, it should be released before the end of the year. On vinyl it`s` a double album and we`ve got a side. (Does that make sense??) I aint listened to tape yet in fact I dont think I`ve heard any SoBB stuff since 1987/8. Good to see poster at top of the page tho, Jeezus!! that annoyed a fair few people. I used to have all the gig posters but they`ve all vanished over the years so if anyone got one and can send me a copy it`d be much appreciated. Take care, Monti
August 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Unbeleivable! i couldn’t really believe it the time, really, either…! i was giving this a listen last night and my 21 year old step son came into the room and said “are these guys just really out of their heads?” pretty much, says i, “i just heard that guy say ‘i don’t really know where i am’” he said. i’d missed that. hilarious. monti, martin, really glad to hear you’re still around.
i got a one sided single of Eat Shit off ebay a little while ago with a great bit of writing about Victoria Park road in it. i’ve often wanted to post it through the door so the people there now can learn a little of the history of their house… i wonder of they’d like that?
August 28th, 2008 at 1:13 am
i think they`d probably want to move if they knew what went on in that house. If you read the SoBB chapter in the next Ian Glasper (Burning Britain…The Day the Country Died) book you`ll see what I mean. Martin, Alien, Olly and me are still in touch with each other. SoBB was started for fun, for us and everyone at the gigs and I think we acheived that, dont you? Fuckin crazy times tho.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I remember Eat Shit in 19AT5 at the Demolition Ballroom in Bristol, supposed to be a Disorder gig, I was playing bass for Skum Dribbzzz at the time, and the bloke in the photo with his dog looks like the twat that started trouble in the town centre pubs, and got chased back to the Demolition Ballroom by blokes in the straight pubs that he had shouted abuse to, with bar stool legs that they broke off, they were psyched out and wanted to kill him!
He also pissed on the back of my legs whilst we (Skum Dribbzz) were playing our set, cos Eat Shit wanted to borrow my bass and couldn’t wait to plug in and play themselves. However as a result of stirring the hornets in town centre, the Police soon arrived in riot vans and stopped the gig, and that possibly became the end of the Demolition Ballroom thereafter.
No hard feelings to any Eat Shit members, but Skum Dribbzzz was also started just for fun, and achieved more respect than than you lot cos we didn’t cause any violence at gigs.
August 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
1st things 1st, be very careful who you`re callin a “Twat” my friend cos I`m the guy in the photo. 2ndly it was Sons of Badbreath not Eat Shit playin. I certainly wasnt the person who started any trouble and this is the 1st time I`ve bin accussed of it(I still live in Bristol and go to gigs). My only involvement in the fight (I do remember it) was myself and Steve Allen (Disorder gtrst) gettin battered as we dragged a guy called Spoons (who had his collarbone broken) away from the mob. 4th I never pissed on your legs also I never played the bass. Livin in Bristol I know why the DB closed and it was`nt because of that. I remember your band and have nothin against you and if you feel you get more respect good for you cos I dont give a shit. Lastly apart from that gig there was never any violence at our gigs (SoBB) and thats a fact unlike your tale above.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Well Tim Cairns (SD guitarist) wouldn’t hesitate to call you names as he did on that night, after you pissed on my legs, I’m reliable at recognising people in photos, and it was you, not saying you played bass in Eat Shit or SoBB, just that you wanted to borrow my bass guitar for the bloke that played bass in Eat Shit, you were the pushy type, and you were so out of your face you pissed on the back of my legs telling me to hurry up and that’s a fact, not a tale. As for the trouble that got started, I can only say that a lot of people that were there that night were blaming it on Eat Shit, full stop. Have a nice life anyway.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Try to not let this escalate too much chaps…it was 23 years ago, shit happened and no doubt it was unfortunate for a heap of folk who were present on that night, but y’know…
Jay Vee you may be interested to know that a Scum Dribblers gig in Nottingham 1983 is uploaded on this site if you use the search function and put the band name in. It’s in the Sean Forbes post.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Thanks Penguin, the issue is now resolved as far as I’m concerned.
The Sean Forbes stuff is excellent, especially the Passion Killers set I’m listening to from the Station, Gateshead 14/01/84…beautiful.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
If anyone is still in contact with Tim Cairns from Scum Dribblers, Ian Glasper is interested to hear his story about the band for his 3rd book, UKHC from 1985 onwards.
Ian is the new bass player for Flux of Pink Indians, and can be found on myspace.com
August 29th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Point taken Penguin but I take character assassination seriously. Also why keep mentionin Eat Shit they werent even fuckin there,this issue will be resolved after we meet face to face Jay Vee. Just for the record I was nothin to do with Eat Shit, now that is a FACT. I promise you Penguin I wont respond to any more of this baitin by someone sittin safely at home, while I can accept criticism I wont accept crap from someone, why should I??
August 29th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Well according to ‘the record’ on this very post about how SoBB came about, it would appear that you were a lot to do with Eat Shit, Monti and I’m just as safely at home as you are for sure, behaving myself which as I understand it you have problems doing yourself…I have no desire whatsoever to meet you face to face, as I’ve already responded, the issue is resolved as far as I’m concerned, I’ve now got over having the back of my legs pissed on, I’ve moved on and can accept criticism from you anytime without meeting face to face, so why should you want to meet someone face to face if you truly weren’t the person that is being accused in the first place? Sounds like you have a complex that you want to resolve with violence, in the safety of…? and I don’t do violence as I’m disabled.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Internet threat!
August 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Dial-up Beatdown!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
monti-dont suppose you ever heard how paul and jackie got on after moving abroad?wasnt it turkey they went off to?after watching the film ‘midnight express’ i dont think it would have been my choice of destination.
wonder now and again where they ended up,little joy wont be so little anymore,she must be in her early 20′s now.
this internets a friendly old place at times eh.time for a brew…….
August 29th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Gally, be with you in a minit. Yes Jay Vee you were pissed on but not by me but our bass player who like me at the time had long blond hair so there you go. As for me havin complex’s clickin on your name accessed your myspace where you talk bout your mental health issues. I have friends with similar problems so I`m not unsympathetic to your situation. Also it might interest you to know my mate Gabba (FUK,ex Chaos UK) is in regular touch with your ex band mate Tim, and he`s goin to tell him to contact Ian, happier now?? Finally the Ballroom closed for 1 reason and 1 reason only…Smack!!! And the trouble was started by some drunk out of town punx. So now know who pissed on you and your message to Tim passed on plus free advert for Scumdribblers I`d say thats enuff to put this issue to bed,…Yes??? Yup Violence aint big or clever but then again neither am I…C`est la vie
August 29th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Gally my e-mail is theoriginalmonti@yahoo.co.uk no need to bore/excite the readers of this page (about SoBB not Eat bloody Shit gawd bless `em) with our life stories. I`ll check my e-mails later cos I`s busy busy busy now. Ok mate?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Thanx Monti, a nice way to resolve a 23 year issue, I know the perils of Smack, and glad to hear Gabba 4 cox from Chaos UK is in contact with Tim, and R.I.P. to anyone that got lost along the way through the squat and / or Punk scene, it was a hard life, even though we didn’t actually live through the first or second world wars, we inherited the recycled hate of it, and small wonder we inherited some mental health issues as a result.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:36 am
All water under the bridge, or is it all water under the britches?
August 30th, 2008 at 10:03 am
monti-will be intouch sooner rather than later.
who is the woman on the flyer that caused so much annoyance?
August 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Jay Vee, Gabba called me a few hours ago to say he`s gave Tim Ian G`s no. Ian came to my gaff a while back to interview me and Martin bout SoBB Gabba and Hellbastard Scruff were there as well, it was a good nite. Ians a good bloke, the amount of work he`s put into his books, fuckin unbelieveable. Penguin thanx very much for these gig posters, much appreciated. Woman in photo was Olly`s Aunt who came round 281 to see Olly (who was out). She had a cup of tea, told us to tell Olly she`d be back then left. 30 minutes later Martin found the photo pinned to the inside of the front door. It gets weirder cos when Olly came back I told him his Aunt had bin round he replied “What Aunt”?? Turns out his dad`s a only child and his ma had 5 brothers. So really we dont know who she is. Maybe she`s the Aunt of one of the people who got annoyed??? Anybody know her???
August 31st, 2008 at 11:09 pm
I say chaps all’s well in love and war! Saw both Eat Shit and Scumdribblers back in the day. Eat Shit played after a Conflict in some London venue that I’m hard pressed to recall and tried to play in Northampton at the end of the evening too! Guys I have to say that if it was alcohol/speed whatever, you did tend to have a bit of an attitude which was intimidating to people but hey we were all youngsters once eh? Personally I loved Scumdribblers, seen em all over the place and I used to write to Tim regular. As for Jayvee, he is a top guy. Campaign for Musical Destruction!
September 1st, 2008 at 5:23 am
I would never deny that some (most?) of the time the behaviour of the SoBB/ E. Shit/ Hackney H.C. people was at times extreme and sometimes out of order, at the end of the day it was as you say, silly boys being silly boys. I`ve read a few things that mention intimidation and I find this puzzling and lookin at the photo taken in 281 of most of the crowd, hilarious cos we look like a bunch of clowns fallen on hard times. Only 2 maybe 3 of us would have stood a chance of makin it to the end of round 1 against a wet paper bag. Jeezus People!! These were the days of the NF/BM and the general public who`s tolerance levels were a lot less than now. Being lifted up in the air to be thrown in front of a tube train by a mob of nazi skins in the Angel tube stn as I was, thats intimidating. Some weren`t as lucky as me and suffered badly even killed. Maybe intimidatin`s a bit strong given the times we lived in then, harder times than now.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
You’ve got some hard knock experiences there to tell Monti, maybe you can get a book together yourself with the help of others, triggering those memories and get it all down in writing, would be a fascinating read…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
I`d say character buildin rather than hard knock cos 90% of the situations I`ve been in have happened due to my choices of lifestyle. After all Glasgow street gang member/Army/Punk band/Member of well known “Outlaw” bike club aint the easiest path in life to choose. It`s the bullies who made my life hell (and I really do mean hell) until I was 8/9 when I realised that I was allowed to fight back who are to blame, after that everythin else just happened, there was no “game plan”. I have had 2 people sound me out about a book since I`ve “retired” since my body told me “enuff”. but I`d have to wait till loads of people died to prevent them gettin angry/arrested etc. If you read the interview I did in the latest Negative Reaction zine you`ll find that the tube station incident has a endin I`m sure you`ll approve of. Jay Vee mate, I knew I hadn`t pissed on your legs cos I`d never enter a confrontation with my cock out! Take care.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 am
Ride free Monti.
September 3rd, 2008 at 5:53 am
Only another 16yrs to go and I can ride the bus free. If I can remember what bus to get on.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
People will care for you Monti I’m sure, you’re one of those Grandad types that the orderly’s will come to know and love
September 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I`ve told my daughter (18 last month) to avoid 2 things, Addiction (of anythin) and Pregnancy (at least until 30yrs old). I want her to get some life experience before she starts droppin sprogs. The only home I`ll be goin to when I have to give up my home will be a Funeral home anyway I woudnt go anywhere prepared to accept me, there standards would be to low and as I take in rescued dogs for the English Bull Terrier Society cats would avoid the place and old folks always have cats. Dont they?? Jay Vee it`s startin to look like we`ve got to nothin else to do
September 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Shall we go friggin’ in the Riggin’ then Monti? Cos there’s bleep all else to do, plenty to do as you know, even when it’s just sorting stuff out…
Bless ya mate for the rescued dogs work, and good luck with your daughter, order has come out of the chaos of your life and that’s an achievement you’ve every right to be proud of…
September 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Hey Monti, your daughter Billie posted a comment on the page below way back in May. Scroll down towards the bottom of the comments.
Pretty clued up young lady if she is browsing this site!
http://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/?p=436#comments
September 4th, 2008 at 3:58 am
D`you know the best thing (from my point of view) about the bit of re-interest in SoBB is that its come as Billie moves from her schoolmates into adult frendships (that make sense??) when asked about her parents she talks bout SoBB/Punk even bout C.UK + FUK (Gabba 1st seen Billie when she was 10mins old) rather than havin a baddy for a daddy. Its not nice livin on the back of somones bad reputation no sir, they should go get there own.
September 4th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Monti, talking of addictions wonder what happened to Carolyn B.?
She was in a relationship for a few months with a Chaos UK member, and also Pete Lyons from Antisect, she was from Northamptonshire, Gabba will remember her I’m sure…
She was a friend to me, hope she managed to free herself of the addictions of those times, last I saw of her she moved to London to rehabilitate her lifestyle…talk about hard life, she certainly had one.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Carolyn, who did vocals for Antisect and had a shaved head with ponytail Ghengis Khan style??? Her surname was Wallis i think. Wait a minit i got vague memories of Mower C. UK. singer goin out with a diffrint Caroline/lyn, she def came from Northhants, yup it just came back to me its the 2nd girl. Sorry mate I never saw her after her and Mower split. Martin the SoBB gtrst is more in touch with who`s where in London, I`ll ask him
September 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“I knew I hadn`t pissed on your legs cos I`d never enter a confrontation with my cock out!”
Ha-ha Monti, made me laugh! I remember that big fight at the Ballroom – nasty nasty. My son turned 21 this week! Funny having grown up kids… See you round in Bristol sometime soon…
September 5th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Hi Justine, how are ya? Made me laugh too, never realised I`d written that, it`s` true tho. You`ll have to take my word for it but I would advise blokes if attacked while pissin, (happend to me once) 1st Get cock back inside trousers while avoidin punches( No need to do up zip/buttons) 2ndly…Fight back//Run away……..Jeezus your boys….a man now. At Dropkick Murphys gig this year me an Terry(East End Badoes) were laffin bout the fact we`re both 50 next year and our daughters were chattin at the bar, drinks in hand. Terry`s girl Liberty does some singin for the Murphys on their British gigs. Dunno bout you but theres no rush to enter Grandparenthood. Take Care
September 6th, 2008 at 12:39 am
I recall Carolyn Brynk she had a crucifix tatooed on her forehead, dunno if that helps, but it is fairly distinctive. Monti you make I smile, you must have 1001 reasons to smile and I like that. Just like a big old oak tree, lots of spirit and depth.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Yup, thats the girl Mower was seein, I remember the tattoo. The phrase “you make I smile” sounds like you come from Bristol/West Country am I right?? Glad I make you smile now I got 1002 reasons. Oak tree thing goes over the top of my head tho but it sounds ok
September 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Nah, Northants, middle english disaster zone! I’ve always had a soft spot for the west country mind. Great music, Good cider, beautiful countryside, once you get past Nailsea!
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Last I heard, Carolyn was living in Kettering. Nope, she hasn’t got past her vices. She spent some time in Holloway too, for numerous petty offences.I heard this a couple of years ago, but I doubt little has changed.
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 am
Okay last I heard Carolyn got married while living in Kettering, that much I do know cos I went to the wedding, but she moved to London shortly afterwards, that was at least 10 years ago!!…her and new hubby moved to London to rehabiltate, through the hospitality of a wealthy friend that was gonna make sure they quit their vices for good…that’s where we lost contact.
Back to Monti – I bought a copy of Negative Reaction at Durham Punk Festival recently 13/09/08 (which included a brilliant set from Angelic Upstarts, and 10 mins worth of good quality vid can be seen on Youtube of that…) and read your interview, interesting and I see what you mean about approving of what you were saying in there Monti – nice one
September 25th, 2008 at 2:20 am
I`ve seen the Upstarts a few times in the last 3-4yrs (non-Mensi) and I thought they were back on top form. Bet that festival was good, SoBB played the Station 3 times and we always had a great time up there, good people
October 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
What happen to the hair monti?, the music is different you have come a long way since Gutersloh. Gives a ring sometime.
Scoobie
October 6th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Hey Scoobie!! Yup theres certainly been a lot happenin since our Army days as for the hair I got fed up with it and returned to havin a skinhead again (It highlights my thuggish good looks ha ha)
October 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Hi
We used to live at Colvester Cres Dalston in a squat with Martin Brain Damage. Fraggel n Age and some others. Sadly we know Age passed away years ago but just wanted to know if you know what happend to the others. Also what happend to Alien last time we saw him was about 18 years ago. We remember the 3 crowns, that big squat at an old hospital or something, gigs at the peace centre.
We moved back to Sheffield in 87 to have our first child. Would love to hear from anyone who remembers those days.
Val n Martin (yes still together after all these years)
October 11th, 2008 at 12:15 am
I walked down Colvestone Crescent this afternoon, not a crusty to be seen though.
Alien manages Turnpike Lane tube station these days! Still drums every now & again with his band, Mush. The next gig that they’re doing is at Bardens Boudoir on Stoke Newington High Road on Friday November 7th supporting Tofu Love Frogs.
October 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Hi Luggy
Do you remember Fraggel who went out with Age and they had baby Oden who will now be 21 or 22 . Do you know what happend to her i know she went to live in Bristol but not heard from her for years. Does anyone know what happend to Martin Brain Damage he was smallish with long black hair and into hell metal. We also lived with crusty Gavin saw him years ago he was living in Derby but think he got run out of town by the local sherif or something. Jay also lived with us last thing we heard he was living under a mountain some where. Please get in touch if you know anything about any of these old crustys or anyone i may have forgotten in me old age. We have three kids now our son is 20 you can find his latest film on you tube we also have two girls 17,nearly 14.
Val n Martin
October 13th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Excellent thread. Reminds me of the big thread, Still the biggest…
the H band thread, in which we were tagged the first crusty band by some wise man
Still old mates meeting up, old fights almost re-erupting. Then falling into bed together all over again.
Fab.
You even managed to get Pengiun to calm it down.
Top marks.
Don’t know any of ya, different time n place but u might find it entertaining to have a read of the ‘joys of work’ thread, when you gotta minute.
Bit of a book about the punk n squatting ‘ting same same but different.
http://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/?p=822
And one of your number is the manager of Turnpike Lane tube. I gotta tell me nieces it’s there local.
Excellent.
Njoy BVZ
October 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am
Baron, is this the thread?
October 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Yeah cheers.
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 am
G’day,
I’m Clint who posted the SoBB tape to Penguin and have been assisting the Dutch guy, Edwin, in his project for the Hackney punks 2x LP.
It is a slow process collecting all the related photo’s, printed matter and tunes for this massive release and we’d still love to hear from people who might feel like contributing to this release. Anything, fliers, interviews, photographs(live or otherwise-hanging out, causing trouble etc), live/ rehearsal tapes, clippings. Whatever you might have in the musty loft, otherwise taking up space and collecting dust. All things can and will be returned after use.
In particular, I am still hoping to locate the Eat Shit interview from Deek/Oi Polloi’s ‘zine, Skinhead times(I think that is what the ‘zine was called) as well as any tapes by the following bands;
Poison
Eat Shit
Sons of Bad Breath
The Old Codgers
Goatsbreath and the Camel Cocks
Grinder
Blower
Thanks for reading, I hope to hear from some of you. Contact me on;
shortfuserecords@hotmail.com
I’m also hoping to locate tapes by the following bands if anyone can help;
Skum Dribblurrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzz(live or rehearsal)
Mass Murder demo(pre-Mulch I believe)
Mulch demo
REST IN PAIN tape(s)
Sons of Vengeance
Zogger-anything
Real Molesworth Dirt (aren’t these guys now in Certified?)
Heresy(early era especially)
Antisect demos, early live, rehearsal, pre-Antisect bands(names escape me now)
Warwound-maybe photo’s/fliers for upcoming LP
Asylum demos(originals if possible, for upcoming LP) plus fliers/photo’s
More Skum Dribblurrrrrzzzzzzzzzz
Violent Uprising live tapes
as well as any
Wretched(Italy) live tapes(I have a Nott’s tape) or photo’s
Kind Regards
Clinton
October 25th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Oi! Gally, didya get that e-mail i sent ya donkeys ago?? yeah? then send me one back then, i want to know more about wot ya bin doin ya big northern git…..About Fraggle, the last time i spoke to her was when Age died and she asked me to go tell the mother of Ages daughter wot had happened…ive seen her around a lot of times since so i`ll ask around, see if she still in Bristol
October 25th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Oi Monti, peg-osted you an email earlier today.
Baron vz – read some of your ‘joys of work’ but not all of it yet,enjoyed what I have read so far tho………..
October 25th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
cheers mate
October 25th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Hiya Monti
Thanx for that any thing you can do to find where she is would be great. She wrote to me a few times when we first moved back to Sheffielld but then we lost touch her son Oden must be about 21 or 22 now as our eldest is 21 . The last time we saw Martin Brain damage was in around 1990 we also saw Alien . Would love to know if Brain damage is ok . So again any one out there who knows him please drop a lines cheers.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Hi Monti,
What was the place called in Hackney? Wanna call it the Blue House but i’m sure my memory fails me. Think we played a few gigs together, Kardboard Box, Ballet School? Do you remember Gutrot?
Anyway glad your well and look forward to the new I.Glasper book
Take Care
Trev ExAxegrinder
November 7th, 2008 at 1:28 am
The Blue House was Sutton House. It was built in 1535 and bought by the the National Trust in 1930. The ASTMS trades union were tenants between 1960s and early 1980s. After they left it was squatted. After the squatters were evicted the building’s condition continued to decline. An active local campaign was mounted by the Sutton House Society, originally known as the Save Sutton House Campaign which was formed in March 1987. This provoked the National Trust into restoring the building.
See these links for more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_House
http://www.suttonhousesociety.org.uk/
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-suttonhouse
November 7th, 2008 at 1:30 am
That would be a ‘yes’ Trev! It was the Blue House down Homerton way.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:37 am
the majority of the Blue Hse squatters then went on to squat Laura Place in Clapton which was owned by the sally army and was at least twice as big as the Blue hse. This place became a spring board for a lot of urbanites to become travellers. Both were classic squats, with a lot of fun to be had!
November 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
To Trev, i`d have called it the Blue House, yeh course I remember Gutrot, i`ve met Tim Knight at last 2 rebellion festivals and recently in Bristol..I remember the Kardboard Box gig..mental times eh? Good times tho, always good to hear that the good (as in decent people) from them days are ok….my 18yr old daughters goin mad waitin for the book to come out. Haha become part of history by gettin pissed and makin a fuckin racket…how good is that??….to Penguin: alright mate things all good??…..to Alaisterliv..if you dont mind me askin.. why’s a man with such a knowledge/interest of old buildins lookin at a page-link about a band of numbskulls??? All the best to ya…numbskull no. 1
November 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
All good over here Monti, thank you for asking…
November 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I went out with a girl called Karen (from Yeovil) who lived there in 1985, her mate Christine (?) was one of the original inhabitants and named it the blue house after her favourite club in Hamburg where she was from – or so they told me. I went back a couple of years ago and the NT had kept one of the rooms as it was when it was the blue house – nice idea I thought.It was a great place – I remember one sunday when I was there these guys turned up saying they were from the council and needed to remove asbestos. Turned out they were nicking the linenfold panelling which only exists in one other building in England – we were too hungover to question how asbestos would have been put in a tudor panelled room – it got recovered and replaced though eventually. When we played there we were paid in cans of tenants super – dangerous!
November 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
How did your gig go, Chas? Saw Dave afterwards at Bardens.
The Bluehouse has been discussed before on this site:
http://www.killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/?p=734
Don’t know if you know but Christine is no longer with us. R.I.P.
[EDIT: Thankfully this was just a dodgy rumour & she's very much alive]
I still see Karen quite often, there’s a drawing by Wilf of her used by Penguin as the default picture on his ‘All The Madmen’ site:
http://www.myspace.com/allthemadmenrecords
November 9th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Great thanks luggy, can’t speak for the quality but I enjoyed it. I think Gerard’s going to stick some pictures on the flowers site – hmm, I’m not quite the thin white duke I was but that could be a diet thing – I moved onto solids once I stopped squatting. Good to see Dave and Steve Corr again and remind ourselves of the many entertaining and ridiculous things that happened in Stamford Hill twenty odd years ago. A shame so many reminiscences end with ‘he became a junky’ but at least most of them survived. Sorry to hear about Christine, but it’s good to know Karen’s still around. I must have seen that drawing 100 times and never realised it was her (she had a shaved head when I knew her), but now you mention it…. Say hi from me next time you see her.Was Bardens the Tofu Love Frogs? How was that?
November 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Steve’s chucked some pictures of your gig on his MySpace. Karen always used to be bald when I lived with her in various squats but she’s grown it back now.
Bardens was the Frogs gig although I preferred the support bands, they should have let sleeping frogs lie! Lovely people but familiarity has bred contempt with me. It was a good night, lots of people there but I overdid it a bit so lunched out the John Sinclair thing last night. He’s probably just a fat old hippy still extolling the virtues of hash anyway.
November 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Monti
Nigel from upstairs at 281
You still see Olly? Aint seen anyone from Viccy Park Road days since was in Bristol with either Striknien DC or Paranoid Visions, buggered if can recall who it was now. Borrowed a van off you I think but could have been another person for gigs in Hackney….
Laura Place was very short lived though seem to have hazy recollections of a sweat lodge in garden….
November 14th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Laura place had two different generations of squatters. It was prob the first lot that had the sweat lodge. Some of the second lot went off to squat the red house in derbyshire
November 15th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Thanks for all the info on the blue house, my memory’s fading whilst my waistband expands!!!!
Monti, glad your well, my son’s only 10 weeks so i’ll put the book into storage and bore him rigid when he’s older, I’m sure he’ll be embarassed but then what are dads for.
Take care and see those that are going at the Flux gig
Trev
November 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
To Val+Martin: Sorry but cant find any info on Fraggle i`ll keep askin about tho..Yeh Odin must easily be bout 22..bet he`s a big lump of a bloke like his old man was eh??………To Trev: Given the excesses of the bad ol`days ive got a surprisingly good memory of a lot of wot went on then..my 18yr old daughters really into the idea that I was in a band after all loads of fathers probably say “yeah I was in a band etc” and for them to find out you actually were in a band aint a bad thing. My girls known Martin(SoBB) and Gabba(Chaos UK/FUK) all her life and she`s more impressed than embarresd bout it all…hahaha Bless`er!!..To Nigel: Alrite mate, good to hear your fine, im still in touch with Martin, Olly+Alien..there all doin fine.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Hello Monti & to all on the best numb skull thread.
Well well.
I bought Bob Shorts book the other week and realised that Lulu offer a print to order publishing thing.
A completely new concept to me the luddite that i am.
So .. here it is.
http://www.lulu.com/content/4875148.
A massive thanks to all on this site who have made encouraging comments about the bits you read, and for info given.
Why have I done it?
Well not just cos im an egocentric vain git.
Also because there is, as far as i know, nothing in print about ‘us’, the London punks of that era from ‘78 to the riots of ‘81.
A bit b4 the era of the books that Monti et all are in
I wrote it 20 years ago, so I owe to that person and all of us who have survived, to complete.
Allen Ginsburg it aint but its a slice of history.
The .99p that I get is going to charity.
So go to lulu and buy it for xmas!
The perfect tome for credit crunch Britain.
cheers again.
Jake
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 am
Hi Monti, nice to find you in good form, and Billies 18!
Natalie had her 22nd bday there, times flying. Ill be able to give Amy a photo of bags she loved that dog seems like yesterday my friend, what a carry on eh?!Talk soon, all the best to you. Kaff
December 24th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Kaff, fuckin`ell good to hear yer ok. Nats 22 jeez dont time fly by?? I got a big white English Bull Terrier called Fred..you`d love`im. He`s 8/weigh nearly 5 stone and farts like fuck. He`s like a cartoon dog!!! Bit mad people remembering Sons of Badbreath after all these years eh??? Robso moved to cornwall + missus and 2 girls few years ago but anyway look above somewhere my e-mail address is there, send me a e-mail…Merry Xmas to ya…and all you turkey (or baked organic wellie) munchers out there…and a `Appy New Year to y`all..hahaha i’m fuckin 50 next year……..decided to grow up when i’m 173 cos I fink my legs might`ave gone by then!
December 25th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Hiya! Monti,
Long time now, since we had a beer or two and got into some bother! Nice as ninepence us lot ha! Girls think im a little crazy, but I dont understand it myself…
Got the email sorted, I think..and its sent ok, guess your having a wee dram to yer self so i guess it hats off to you for the month lol chat soon, best.
Kaff.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Hahaha bet this shocks ya Kaff but i aint bin pissed for over 10yrs now…Still`ave the odd pint but thats it..Dont worry aint gone religious, just cant be bothered……….To Trev…Axegrinder….I seen Dalb (ex Gutrot now Argy Bargy bassist) the other day. He`s just moved in round the corner from me in Bristol, we`ad a good laff talkin bout the old days……..Finally to Penguin and all who read this….ALL THE BEST FOR 2009 !!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Hey! Monti, a little shocked! You can say that [hollow legs yerself] mind you I could never drink anyway [oh dear!] took me a few years to realise that much, lol doesnt bother me now at all.
Was chating to Vic Sox, looks like their ready to rumble again, good job I think, they have gigs lined up n all, anyway Monti must go now, take care then.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Monti – next time you see Dalb, tell him Simon from Amhurst Park days sends regards… Tell him that Ian is clean and working as a journalist – he’ll never beleive that!
February 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Hi there people..
Simon from Amhurst Park days?? Ian clean and sober? Well that’s two of us!! Been sober over 10 years meself.. Yup, I’m living in Bristol now and glad I’ve met up with Monti.. I have a box of the Gutrot 10″ Filthy Muck compilation from Wicked Witch here which I need to sell to pay the bills!! Trev from Axegrinder.. Get in touch mate.. Trying to find Daryn so we can get his Gutrot records to him!!
Also mentioning Ian Glasper, Stevie, Tim and me did an interview with him for the new book regarding Gutrot & the Kardboard Box.. Also still in touch with Scottish Alan who did the Kardboard Box flyers and was an integral part of the crew.. Also like to point out that the Hackney Hell crew helped us build the stage there that many bands played on!!
February 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Say hello to Dalb from me as well, we spent many happy hours at the bar of the Anarchist Bookfair with Malcolm from Housmans over the years…
February 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Hello mate.. Hope all’s well.. Saw you’d been posting on here!!
Was always a laugh runnin’ the bar and the bookfair.. and a way of getting drunk for free!!
February 18th, 2009 at 3:44 am
Anyone know Carol from Colvestone Crescent and how she is?
February 18th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Hi Chris
Are you the Chris who had the lovely white dog called Yogie. You used to wear a hat I think. We are Val and Martin (I had lots of make up and hair back then Martin had black spikey hair sometimes pink and black ) we used to live in Colvester Cres with Age and Fraggle and Brain Damage, Gavin, Jay etc. If it is you how are yuo keeping?
Not seen you for many many years..
Val n Martin
February 18th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Yes it is Val, me Chris. Good to hear from you two and all is well. I cannot believe together still, really good and 3 kids too. What do yous do to survive, jobs etc. I vividly remember Colvestone and you lot, twas mental, alsatians, glue and shit etc. I was seeing Carol, your mate, that too was mental. My dog was the best, English bull terrier, always getting his lipstick out. I live in Australia with wife and 6 year old Ronnie, tis grand. Got messed up for many years in 90s but that was then. Saw Marnie in Canada in 93, Gail98, Ages x -she is a healer type in Glastonbury. Alien is still about Hackney, pulled the ceiling down at my wedding allegedly. Gavin was in Brighton 10 years ago I heard. How is Carol? Do you still look like punkers, birds of prey tattoos etc? Cheers,
Chris.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Hi Chris,
Yes its mad that we are still together its about 25yrs now our kids are 21 – take a look at his last film on you tube ” plague world” he does all the special effects himself. Then we have two girls 17, 14 we now have a cute dog called Splodge. No we dont look punky now. Kept in touch with Fraggel for a bit but lost touch same with Gavin and Liz.
Are you on facebook if so search for my name.
We dont see Carole anymore but last I heard she was fine.
What do you do in Australia?
Where abouts are you? We keep saying we are going over to see Martins relatives they came to see us a few years ago and thought it was freezing it was our summer.
Great to hear from you keep in touch.
Luv
Val N Martin
March 11th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Great reading and great tunes.
Does anyone have Blower/Poison/God Told Me To Do It tapes lingering about?
I sent Scruff a box of tapes to record these for me on two years ago along w/$20 to post them to the US and still hasn’t sent them so I am really looking forward to hearing this stuff for a long time!
August 5th, 2009 at 11:07 am
What happened to Eat Shit? I remember them leaving Hackney for Bristol ostensibly because of the cheap cider available out West but also because of rumours that revenge for the tattooing of puppy breaths forehead were becoming a bit serious. Is goatsbreath and dogsbreath still in the land of the living?
August 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Pus ‘Goatsbreath’ got stabbed after jumping out a window in Bristol during a drug deal that went horribly wrong back in the late 1980′s. Blyth Power played Bristol the night after and returned with that news. Not sure if it completely accurate, just what I was told at the time.
Always thought Pus was an ok bloke the times I met him when he was staying at 108 Brougham Road, with a load of other HHC members.
August 6th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Cheers penguin. Anyone ever hear of Napoleon any more?
August 12th, 2009 at 12:33 am
chris mate, u been givin sum duff info sumwhere down the line….the only member of eat shit to live in bristol was shaun in mid 90s….it was in fact me (monti…sons of badbreath`s shouter…can’t say singer now can i ???) who moved to bristol durin the HHC period soon followed by martin (also sobb)…cheap cider`n face tattoos are just a “chinese whispers” style add on and ad nuffink to do wif why me or martin moved to bristol…..penguin got the basic story bout pus right but pus had met a guy who`d bin ripped off n he went back to the house wif him…he was stabbed in the street but didnt jump out of any windows…this happened two streets away from my house…i went to give the old bill info on how to contact pus`s mum (who lived in ostend) and was held n questioned for 6-7 hrs as if i was involved before they let me go…they found his ma thank fuck cos otherwise i`d have had to formally ID him…your right bout pus tho…he was a good bloke, irritatin at times but aint we all ???…dogbreath (age) died of a smack o.d at sum party in london….shame cos like pus despite his appearance he too was a sound bloke…napoleon`s the only HHC bloke that i dunno where he is but avin lived wif n spent hours in vans wif `im i’d say he`s either a mental patient or a born again christian (for the 2nd time) politician…live life people…!
monti
August 12th, 2009 at 12:52 am
to update and prevent any “nonsense tales” about pus…out of the 5 blokes who stabbed pus 3 of em od`d within 3-4 yrs after pus`s death…the other 2 were killed in seperate incidents by “person or persons unknown”…it’s true i was questioned in relation to these deaths as were a few other people but lack of evidence AKA none has led to nuffink tho none of us has officially been 100% cleared of any involvment…its also been at least 10 yrs since a copper last talked to me bout it…all info i’ve just said is fact nuffink more, nuffink less…if u hear otherwise then your bein lied to…if any of you readin this are avin a drink then i`d like u to raise ur glasses / cans / plastic bottles etc to the memory of two good men who`s lives were cut short…Pus & Age…RIP fellas
August 12th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Welcome back Monti, shame about the grim subject matter but hoping you and your daughter are both keeping well.
August 14th, 2009 at 3:23 am
alrit peng mate…we`re ok thanx urself?? grim material it is mate but im makin sure people know the facts `n nuffink else…mate ive read all sortsa fings on sum sites bout us lot…people claimin to ave been in the Hackney Hell Crew and im finkin who`s that??… funniest of all was from a guy in italian band cheetah chrome mothers boys or summink sayin a HHC person threatened him wif an axe he took from his toolbag which he ad wif `im cos he`d been at work…forget the fuckin axe but who ad a toolbag never mind a fuckin job in them days???…penguin u`ll like tis one…i saw a post written by old dangerspoons in febuary where he wrote about the filthy junkies somewhere…i asked the question were u a clean junkie then???…im blocked from that site now…fuck em!!!
August 18th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Hey Monti
Your posts are really interesting- HHC and everything. How much of this is in Ian Glasper’s forthcoming book?
Cheers, Simon
August 19th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Alrite Simon, the Sons of Bad Breath chapter in Ians book is approx 3,000 words, mainly about the band than the HHC….Eat Shit ave got a chapter as well but i aint read it….imagine it`ll be bout the band again…..Dunno who started callin us the HHC..personally i fink its a stupid name but it cud be worse…Ive read on websites loadsa HHC stories…sum true..sum wif a hint of truth`n sum absolute bollox…Also a few people claim to ave been in HHC i aint even heard of em ever so lets sort out a few facts..The Hackney Hell Crew consisted ONLY of people who lived in the massive squat 281 Victoria Park Rd. Hackney, this included all members of both bands and mates such as Pus, Robso, Simo and a handful of others….nobody else!!!….Gotta admit im still bit bemused at the interest in HHC etc…at the time we was just livin our lives in our own chaotic way….Some people from that era in a attempt to make their own sad tale more excitin or wotever will add summink bout the HHC..are you readin this Legion of Parasites fella who said we arrived at one of there gigs and intimidated the crowd..one fing to say to him…”BOO!!!!”….ur easily intimidated or as i suspect talkin utter shit…..as for the cheetah chrome mummysboys wif their axeman tale…you deserve a slap for that u silly fucker!!…bloke said i had come to the gig after finishin work (????) wif an axe…wot was my job then Inner London Lumber fuckin Jack? Id like to thank Ian Glasper who came to my house to interview Martin`n me…nice fella..Cheers mate!!!…Simon type “Hackney Hell Crew” into ur search engine and you`ll find sum stuff bout HHC..mainly bollox though.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Hi Monti,
I actually do remember the axe story, I heard it the first time from Sean (GodTold Me to Do It/Eat Shit) and someone from either the Stupids or Bad Dress Sense who saw the whole thing go down. Then I heard it again a week or so later from Sid from CCM.
I remember Sid showing me his war wounds from that brawl and doubt he made it up, but I am also pretty sure it wasn’t any of the original Hell Crew, but one of the groups of ‘crusties’ that showed up later and started trying to emulate the way you lot dressed.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Sean Eat Shit mentioned that it may have been Mark Palmer who coined the name Hackney Hell Crew. As for the CCM “axeman”, it may have been a person by the name of Anarchy Sid. Hell, I could be making all this up, as I’m far too young and from Australia-so missed out on this era of Hackney punk.
I did release the Eat Shit ‘live’ 7″, and have done a little research on the topic.
As for Napoleon, I heard he was working at a fairground in Nottingham-but this is not confirmed.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Hi Clint! You’re correct, CCM axe-incident was nowt to do with HHC. It was Anarchy Sid, orig. from Wolverhampton. It all started over some pizza (?) apparently…Kay (Decadent Few singer) was living w/Anarchy Sid in early 90′s (he died around ’96-7) and he told me what he could remember of the incident and his ‘participation’.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
By coincidence I found a load more photos taken at 281 only last night. Happy to scan them and forward to anyone they’re of interest to when i’m back in London.
There was a ‘HCC’ comic strip in Vague magazine which may have established the name back then.
Was never part of that scene myself and could never understand the crusty look but all the folk I knew who were were sound and a good laugh. Had some highly productive shop-lifting missions with a few 281 residents who would be magnets for any store detectives as soon as they entered a shop whilst I got busy filling my the ‘poachers pockets’ of my adapted coat
August 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Just scanned an old flyer of an Eat Shit gig with Hagar The Womb at the Metropolitan, Farringdon Rd. If anyone’s interested send me your email and i’ll forward it.
August 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hagar The Womb written with a pair of breasts as their logo! Come and watch Eat Shit blow Hagar The Womb off the stage or some such nonsense-what a flyer.
Apparently that gig was a viewing event for label types looking at signing Hagar The Womb. I’m sure Hagar The Womb were happy to have nice noise boys as Eat Shit opening for them on such a special night.
August 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
that’s the one…
August 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
If I remember correctly Eat Shit were never actually booked to play that show, but Sean and Animal came to the conclusion that if you made more flyers and posters saying you were playing than the headlining band did they would have to let you play. Which is exactly what happened, the whole part about Hagar showcasing for labels seems a bit unlikely though. Somehow I doubt the Hags were itching to get signed by a whole slew of big record label fat cats.
Animal was walking around that night in military fatigues pretending to be an Falklands vet with the handset of an old telephone in his hands that he kept yelling into in a bad American accent and handing to people saying “here it’s for you”. I didn’t make it into the show as I was friends with both Sean & Animal and the Hagars and didn’t feel like being part of pissing off a group of my friends which seemed pretty inevitable.
August 21st, 2009 at 2:04 am
sum interestin info there chaps but yet again I`d like to remind people that the H H C consisted of all members of both eat shit`n sons of bad breath plus pus, simo, robso and one or two others….if anyone finks or beleives otherwise then sorry but u are wrong or ave been told bollox…cud`ve been palmer who came up wif the name but the only one of us who wud say he was in the HHC was napoleon who in my personal opinion a total fuckin idiot`n the idea of`im workin in a fairground is a bit ludicrous as he was one of the laziest fuckers ive ever met wif the strength of a 8yr old girl….i remember that hagar the womb fing but am confused as to why if pretendin to be a falklands vet why was animal talkin in a american accent???….the biggest difference between the 2 bands was that eat shit were really an outlet for sean`n animals sumtimes hilarious but mainly cringworthy sense of humour…and sons of bad breath??…well we were just a shit band who were avin a laff….as opposed to the many shit bands who took themselves far to seriously……but the funniest fing of all is the fact that 25 or so years on people are still talkin about wot essentially was a buncha muppets (includin myself) avin a laff……give it 100yrs`n i can see the HHC being one of londons urban legends complete wif rumours of incest`n cannibalism…you`ll see!!!……the metropolitan in farringdon…probably the most unsuitable gig venue ever…ambulance station on the old kent road was a good place, to play and also the see bands….antisect & crucifix gig was one of the best gigs i ever went to…ace!!
August 21st, 2009 at 7:23 am
I remember well the Antisect & Crucifix gig, amazing. I’d followed them around the previous four nights and the gigs were great but the atmosphere at that last gig of the tour at the Ambulance Station was something special.
I remember seeing Eat Shit at Bowes Lyon House too, might have been supporting Flux but can’t be sure about that. I travelled up there with the lads (HHC) from London, i knew Alien a bit as he would come up to P’boro (my hometown) every now and then with his then girlfriend who was also from P’boro and was a mate of mine.
I can remember staying at 281 a couple of times during the wintertime, once in the basement bedroom which had some broken windows and it would snow inside.
September 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Hi Monti
I forgot about this page until I stumbled across it again. Hope you and the family are well. Lots of bands reforming, Amebix in the US with the Soulfly drummer!!! Deviated Instinct, Hellbastard (did they ever split) maybe a crust reunion is on the cards lol! Any news on the book? it all seems to of gone very quiet, is there going to be a DVD as with The Day? You have to get yourself on that mate.
If there is any Gutrot vinyl still about I am definitely up for one of those
Anyway take care
Trev
September 18th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Hi Trev..
Contact me thru myspace or e-mail me at argybargyuk@googlemail.com and I can sell you a Gutrot 10″ vinyl.. Got 50 in royalties and still got some left.. My bills don’t pay themselves!! hahaha!!
Dalb..
September 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Hi Monti and other genuine HHC on here,
You really need to document the times in Hackney. Just read Ian Glasper’s new book and it would make for a very interesting read from a very interesting period in musical history.
Cheers all
Simon
September 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I got the time these days Simon but i wudnt ave a clue `ow to go about it…..aint been able to get the new book in Bristol yet but look forward to readin it…they were mental days but sum good lastin friendships were made..Dalb (comment above urs)`n me see each other regular`n Trev (above`im) i ad a drink wif at rebellion……..the more i fink of it i can imagine a book about us hackney gits wud make a pretty funny book…the fings that went on in 281 victoria park road wud stretch the imagination to the extreme…altho funniest fingof all is that fact that Alien SoBB/Eat Shit drummer is now a London Underground Stationmaster hahaha..All the best to ya`ll……monti
September 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I`d like to point out that the stupid hat on my`ead in pic at top of page werent mine..we`d gone swimmin to a quarry outside bristol i cudnt go in the water cos id ad a op on my hand and Beano stuck `is hat on my `ead…just want u all to know that hahaha…makes me look more of a eejit!!
September 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Ian Glasper’s got a new book?
Crikey he has and all:
Here’s a list of the bands in it, including Sons of Bad Breath (and Eat Shit):
Due on September 7 via Cherry Red Books, “Trapped In A Scene: UKHC 1985-1989″ features the following artists, among others:
ACTIVE MINDS
ADVERSARY
ANHREFN
ANIHILATED
ATAVISTIC
AXEGRINDER
BAD BEACH
BAD DRESS SENSE
CAN’T DECIDE
CIVILISED SOCIETY?
CONCRETE SOX
CORPORATE GRAVE
COWBOY KILLERS
CROWPEOPLE
DEATH ZONE
DEBAUCHERY
DECADENCE WITHIN
DECADENT FEW
DEFAULT
DEVIATED INSTINCT
DIRGE
DOOM
DR. AND THE CRIPPENS
EAT SHIT
ELECTRO HIPPIES
EXIT CONDITION
EXTREME NOISE TERROR
EYES ON YOU
F.U.A.L.
FEED YOUR HEAD
FILLER
FILTHKICK
GENERIC
GUTROT
HATE THAT SMILE
HAYWIRE
HDQ
HEAVY DISCIPLINE
HELLBASTARD
HERESY
HIPPY SLAGS
IMMOLATO TOMATOES
INCEST BROTHERS
INSIGHT
INSURRECTION
INTENSE DEGREE
JAILCELL RECIPES
JOYCE MCKINNEY EXPERIENCE
LONG COLD STARE
M.T.A.
MAD AT THE SUN
MERE DEAD MEN
MORTAL TERROR
NAPALM DEATH
PARANOID VISIONS
PINK TURDS IN SPACE
PLEASANT VALLEY CHILDREN
PRO PATRIA MORI
PROPHECY OF DOOM
RIPCORD
SACRILEGE
SALAD FROM ATLANTIS
SARCASM
SEDITION
SKUM DRIBBLURZZZ
SLEEP
SMART PILS
SNAPPING BOGSEATS
SNUFF
SOFAHEAD
SONS OF BAD BREATH
SORE THROAT
STEADFAST
STUPIDS
TERMINUS
TERRORAIN
THE ABS
THE DEFORMED
THE DEPRAVED
THE DISTURBED
THE FIEND
THE UPRISING
TOXIK EPHEX
TRENCH FEVER
UNSEEN TERROR
V.D.G.
VISIONS OF CHANGE
list from blabbermouth.net
November 18th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Call me old fashioned but is Glasper’s book just a list of the worst bands in history or did everyone else miss out on a significant cultural event or deep and meaningful political import?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:48 am
so wot if it is???..if ur lookin for deep and meaninful political import why u on this page fella??..stick to the guardian or wotever u read….ur possibly right about the “worst bands” but u gotta remember a lot of people dont give a shit about significant cultural events etc maybe u or everyone else could write a book about em
November 20th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Call me old fashioned, ‘call me old fashioned’, but in the book on the Roxy (‘The Roxy London WC2 – A Punk History’ by Paul Marko) the best bits for me were about the lesser known bands playing there and the previously unwritten history of the place after the luminaries had moved on.
Sometimes the cultural significance isn’t so easy to pin down.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Another case in point is the Stokey Punx film brought to my attention by Mr Lugworm.
Part one of the film here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlNVK6fhBtE
Excellent stuff, but not easy to explain why.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Just heard that Skinny – bass player of Coitus who are featured in the video mentioned above – is dead.
Condolences to his family and friends.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:15 am
Skinny`s funeral was held on monday 23rd Nov…Martin`n Alien attended. Condolences to Michelle`n the kids….R.I.P. Skinny mate
November 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Any news on the cause?
November 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I heard that he had a brain haemorrhage. R.I.P.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I had a brain haemorrhage when I was 23 years old (20 years ago). I was extemely lucky though and got patched up with bits of metal on my brain and so forth. Must never have an M.R.I. scan for any part of my body as that metal will fly out my head from the inside of my skull (attracted to the magnetic force of the scan) and that will be the end of me!
I was also on prescribed downers for over two years. Phenobarbitol (dunno about the spelling). Like I say I was one of the lucky ones.
Shame about Skinny. R.I.P.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I knew someone who collapsed walking out of his squat with one. Woke up in hospital with no idea what had happened but thankfully made a full recovery. You never know when shit like this is going to happen to you.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Very sad as he was still quite young.
RIP Skinny
November 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I was told he died of organ failure possibly due to drink but i s`pose theres all sorts of stories going about…wot really happened will come out eventually tho…..Fuckin`ell penguin mate that sounds`orrible mate!!!…..I gotta say, Skinny was one of the most likeable blokes u cud meet…very sad!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
You might be right, I’m only going by what someone told me in the pub last week.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6JEydLheZY
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
Ahhhh, “down the pub.” Always such a source of accurate information.
As Bruce says it is very sad and Skinny was one of the more likeable people in a scene filled with nasty toerags.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Didn’t doubt the pub source as his sister knew Skinny well.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Sorry Micky, I stand corrected.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=101038088&blogId=521033192
December 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Oh my God Skinny was one of the nicest guys and used to visit the Grinder household along with Graham. He used to thrash us at pool everytime and heckle at every Grinder gig. Lasting image will be watching Anti Sect with him somewhere drunk in Stratford I think
RIP
Trev
December 17th, 2009 at 6:45 am
Theres been a fair few posts about the death of our good mate Skinny, but one catches my eye..Grim, wot name wud i know u as???..i dont know any Grim and u obviously know me….u mentioned bruce and skinny in a sentence…if u used skinnys nickname why not mine, in case u didnt know skinnys name was paul…..In the hackney days only 3 people ever called me bruce..when they were pissed and tryin to wind me up, or so they thought. bruce was the name i was given like many others i ended up bein known by my nickname strange wind up….so who outta the 3 are you???….whoever u are dont u fink avin a sly dig at me in a post concernin the death of a friend is a bit disrespectful to Skinnys memory???…its pretty feeble and if ur the bloke named after a eatin implement (no names, no solicitors letters to pengs) then i told u wots gonna happen and it will…did u really fink i wudnt notice that?? or that if i did i wudnt say anyfink???….Anyone know who Grim is??..or u gonna tell us??…. if u are the cutlery item then i`ll be seein u sometime.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:59 am
I should say that since about 8yrs old ive never introduced or been introduced to anyone socially as bruce…apart from doctor,dentist etc not one person has in seriousness called me bruce, only monti. this aint about my name..its about the way it bin used, so reveal urself grim…..go on….ps…no long winded reply wiv mentions of a village in 1950s korea is required…Thank you…TO THE REST OF YA I WISH U WELL AND HOPE NEXT YEARS A GOOD ONE FOR YA.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Hi To Everyone,
Just want to say thank you to the person who contacted me on face book with a lead to finding my old mate Fraggle (Vanda). Anyone else that has any news on our old mates from 66 Colvester Cres Dalston please let me know .
Hope everyone has a really Happy Christmas and New Year and take care of your selfs.
Cheers
Val n Martin
December 19th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
^rendered speechless^
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
The question i asked was “Who are you????…..never asked about your ability to talk fella…..you aint lost the ability to use a keyboard or sidestep the issue tho have you???
December 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
hey monti, ave an excellent 2010, giv me luv 2 all, jus ad a look at all the chat, who the fuck is ‘grim’ ? or shall we term him mr.speechless! ha ha ha , l8er, MANNERS…
December 31st, 2009 at 9:32 pm
hahaha alrite martin me ol mate… hope u`n Gail ave a good 2010… i`ve got a diffrent g/f now but thats enuff bout that on ere, just lettin ya know…i`m a very appy chappy wiv it all….Who is “grim”..dunno for sure mate but maybe he used 2 be called the fing u eat soup wiv hahaha…
January 15th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Hi
Got Clare with me here in Sheffield been to an old mates funeral so she is up from Shropshire. Cumbria Chris saw same photos of you on facebook on 80′s squatters page have you seen them. Are you on facebook Chris cos me Clare n Martin would really like to see your old photos. So put em on and tag me Valerie Thurtle Garvey cheers Chris.
Val n Clare n Martin
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Hi Monti,
Just caught up with this blog, Something posted in Sept last year caught my eye someone asking after girl called Carolyn, Do remember her but don’t know what happened to her.
You went on to say was she the girl who sang with Antisect, no that was me Caroline now Caz, did stay at 281 on some occasions, and remember it fondly (what i can remember ) .
What happened to Ollie?? Alien, Napolean, Simo etc? still in touch with Pete (Lippy) and John Bryson both ex Antisect. and Deno ( Dirt ) living in Norfolk now after spending time London and Cornwall.
How long you been in Bristol and what you up to??
Email me would love to hear from you.
Do you know what happened to Little Pete from Antisect trying to track him down had an email from him but its no longer in use.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Luv Caz
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Folks may be interested to discover that there will be a memorial gig for Skinny Mar. 6th at Jamm Brixton with The Restarts. P.A.I.N., Coitus, Cold War, Fleas and Lice, Dread Messiah, and more. For details visit http://www.reknaw.com/
February 6th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Hi Caz ow are ya??? jeez long time aint it???… Ollie`s been a painter`n decorator in Copenhagen for a long time now, Martins fine`n well .. Aliens a station master at sum tube station hahaha really!!!.. Napoleon i dunno but sorry to ave ta tell ya Simo died a few years back, my e-mail address is further up the page.. mail me on that, be good to ave a chat wiv ya……Last time i seen Lippy, Polly`n John was in the late 80s
February 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Hi Monti,
Well sorry to hear about Simo knew about Pus which was crap news as well, grabbed your email so will drop you a line and we can catch up.
Yeah it is a very very long time, too long mate.
Luv Caz
March 20th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Hello people,
Stumbled onto this via a google search for HHC pics.
So many names brought to mind….
I have a few nice pix of Gavin, Jay, Martin BD etc, none of Pus or Age tho… shame, A friend wrote a song about Pus being dead, it was called Pus Is Dead, I think it was Robin Green…..
I’m not claiming to have ever been HellCrew, they were well established before I hit the scene. But, Fk, Hackney, Stokey was fun in the late 80′s.
The party on Brooke Rd. The ‘Centa’, Next door to the Cricketers. The ‘leg out of the window house’ in Finsbury Park……
Oh fk this brings it all back….
Cheers
Thank You
Dai
March 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am
Martin N Val….
Martin Garvey???
I drove you back to Sheffield with Martins ‘Collection’, and the Brooke Rd Cat, in a fucked vauxhall magna………
March 20th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Hi Dai Punk,
How are you? It was good to read your post. We would love to see your photos are you on face book ? If you are have a look for my name if you add me we could have a look at your photos if you put them on. If not email me at *** and we can keep it touch. Martin has a photo of him and Martin BD. He also still has his pet cat lol still looks just the same!!!! Apart from being black now. Take Care
Val
March 21st, 2010 at 12:45 am
Fkin great to hear from you, Email sent.
Some days I love the internet.
Cheers
Dai
March 21st, 2010 at 12:47 am
Oh man… I got a pic of Tim here somewhere….
March 21st, 2010 at 1:21 am
Damn, memories are only what you remember hehehe
The cat wasn’t from Brooke,
Gavin & Jay opened a house, (round the corner from Reighton?) only to find a family of 8 living in one of the front rooms. Or something like that…
The Cat was in the cellar, in a sideboard…….?
March 25th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
ello monti-bin a long time,hope all is good with you-the term hackney hell crew was born one night late 83,me,alien,olly,martin and tony lynch were at andy martins place in vicky park rd listening to shades (heavy metal shop) radio request show whilst trippin-me and tony nipped out to the phone box and requested they play anything by venom for the hackney hell crew which they later played black metal freaking a few of us out…and thus the hackney hell crew name stuck!
met up with alien,martin,aaron and tinsel the other night,all doing good
March 28th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK’N'ROLL.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
WHHOOOOOOAAAAAA……BLACK METAL
March 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Greetz to everyone I knew who’s posted on this thread… and to those I didn’t. Just wondered if Martin still had the ‘old man’ haircut… heh, heh, that was brilliant mate and well ahead of it’s time (har-har).
Does anyone have a tape of the whole concert at the Wood Green Art Centre that night… I seem to remember quite a few bands playing (Decadent Few, my old band TMG…)? Might have been another night though?
March 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Dev, Mick here of Decadent Few, how are you? long time etc etc. I have tape of this gig- SOBB, God Told Me To Do It, a few tracks by State Hate and Decandant Few. I don’t think it was Tom’s Midnight Garden but just you and Gary (maybe Pat of DIJ too?) who got up first and did a few songs. Ask Penguin for my email and I’ll sort you something out with it.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Hey Mick. Dunno if you remember me. David ‘ere in Aberdeen. Lived in London for a time too where we met – for the first time at a Decadent Few show with Citizen Fish and The Gr’ups at I think the Samuel Pepys ’93. Had written to each other prior to my moving to London that same year, and would run in to each other a couple more times at shows at The Robey. Still run Inflammable Material? I used to purchase copies of MRR from you after my return to Aberdeen. How you doing?
March 29th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Mike I sent Dev your details.
March 30th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Cheers Penguin. David: good to hear from you again after many years. I still do the mail order on & off. Are you still in Aberdeen? D.Few are still going, albeit in laidback rehearse-whenever mode. We may even do a gig soon, heaven forbid. Anyway, hope life is treating you well.
March 30th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Alright Mick, good to hear from you – all well here, hope things fine with you. Good to hear that DF are (maybe?) planning a gig at some point, will definitely come along if it’s anywhere near London.
I’ll send you an email tomorrow, I’d like to have a copy, thanks. You’re right about the line-up at that gig (Me, Pat, Gary and Dougie) – it was our second gig as TMG2 (a new version of the old band) but it didn’t work out. Do you remember Dougie? He played Bass and lived at Turnpike Lane in Wood Green – would like to find out where he is now. BTW; I’ve got a video of the first DF gig you might be interested in. Say hello to Kay and Womble for me – spk soon. Cheers!
March 30th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Dev, Dougie’s back living in Scotland, can’t remember exactly where. Saw Alan Tolmie the other day, he still sees him every now & again.
March 30th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Thanks Luggy – he was a good mate and a few years ago someone told me he ‘might’ not be with us anymore… glad they were wrong.
March 30th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Cheers Mick. Yeah things are good here. Still in Aberdeen I’m afraid:)
Decadent Few are still together? No way. Cool. Just wondering whether you made the Skinny memorial show. Was great catching Kay with Coitus. Make regular trips back to London for gigs and so on, back again in May for Scumfest. Good to hear from you man.
April 26th, 2010 at 3:13 am
Hello there,
Does anybody out there know how to get a hold of Chris Widni or his brother Bully?
Thanks.
shortfuserecords@hotmail.com
May 6th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69hqxOhY0qE
June 25th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Hiya
Anyone who is not already a friend of punks reunited on face book send a request now there are loads of really good photos on there of back in the day lol n if you havent already join face book its great for finding your old mates (thats if you wont to find em).
Val :O)
June 7th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Contrary to my earlier post, Christine is very much alive. Don’t know who started the rumours that she had died. She’s just posted a flyer from a Sons of Bad Breath gig at the Bluehouse on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_39238539639&id=10150208745624640¬if_t=group_activity#!/photo.php?fbid=226882150657575&set=oa.10150209701244640&type=1&theater
June 19th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
nice to read some good news Luggy
June 20th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Hello everyone, good to hear you are all wellish. I am alive n well and living in Paisley. I remember that gig as i played in TMG2, with a badly out of tune bass, and later that night played bass for GTMTDI, as Bill R.I.P. had given up the concept of music and was breaking down the barriers of audience/band interaction. Well chucking stuff back at them anyway. Think Chas came onstage and opened a can of super T in my face mid “gig.” Saw the orig Toms stuff on youtube good stuff Dev.
June 20th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Dougie – nice to hear from you. The tenants thing sounds about right, especially if this is the GTMTDI gig at wood green. I never knew you were there or that TMG played but then all i can tell you is that i went with a 4 pack of tenants super
June 21st, 2011 at 12:35 pm
A big hello from me too, Dougie. Have good memories of you from those days.
June 21st, 2011 at 8:29 pm
PS I do of course mean ‘about right’ in the sense of ‘believable’ rather than, well any other sense! I’m looking forward to hearing the Tom’s Midnight Garden CD if Dev ever gets it together to send me the free copy he promised me for writing the lyrics to one of the songs (or is that just too cheap of me?). I saw him a few weeks ago and he was well. We got pissed with Gerard – again!
June 21st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
good to hear from you all. nice piece about solstice, pity its pissing down or i would have been dancing round some stones, any old stones ones will do. is the pic of luggy, used in the toms youtube being given a helping hand by the long arm from stop the city? if so which year? seem to rember getting arrested at one and the bins played that night at the fulham greyhound. which was chas favourite venue
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 am
Think that was from the first Stop The City, Dougie. May have been the second one as I was nicked at that one as well!
June 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm
i seem to remember seeing you in a brief but passionate embrace with the long arm at a CND one at Hyde Park 82? but they’d obviously got the wrong man – or maybe i have. I reckon if we played after it it was 84 but my memory’s not as good as yours Dougie – yeah I did love the Greyhound and it’s welcoming staff, always had a smashing time…
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
charlie being my favourite stone, much better than mick. good strike rate luggy. trying to make it down for the mob brixton. ive even got a brixton pound note which isnt worth much but might get a drink for for you guys.
June 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 pm
well i may just see you there – i bought a ticket, even though flowers in the dustbin aren’t playing. what a band they were, i understand a mint copy of their third single is worth about 10 grand now, if someone had a box of those in their attic they could probably retire on the proceeds
June 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
well, you know, if hellcrew can become legendary via the internet anything’s possible
July 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Hey Dougie! Great to hear from you mate… Robin told me you were doing OK. Glad you like the vidz. Can’t remember how we lost contact, but definitely remember playing the gig that night. If you send me a message with your address, I’ll send you a TMG CD… that goes for you too Chas – I sent you a message asking for your address ages ago! Cheers.
info@whileangelswatch.net
February 27th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Hello Monti
Your posts are really interesting- each and everything. How much of this is in Ian Glasper’s forthcoming book?
Thanks
Cavan Vets
March 24th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Enjoyed this Thread! Because of my fondness at the time for the Merrydown, Carlsberg and Super T my memories of all this are a little vague. Lots of familiar names and places here though. Id spent approx 17-18 years getting used to being named Donald when Fi Fallover christened me ‘The Oik’ I hated it, being the cultured and well mannered individual that I was and still am, however it stuck for a few years.
If anyone still reading and they remember can you let me know the name of the squatted venue in Stokey where you had to go down the trap door to see the bands?
PS: Only claim to fame here is that I was the only arrest, by I believe the tactical support cops when they tried a mass eviction on the Stamford Hill Estate. Oh those heady days, I was only trying to get to the chippy!
Love to all those who made it. RIP to those who didnt.
Don.
June 1st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Hello Peeples…yes tis me…the man that made that phone call to the metal show and yes the name stuck…it was off the tongue and from the hip…I just needed a collective description on the spot…no real members in mind…just us (Me, Palmer, Olly, Nic and Al I think!!) at the time (in 267 Victoria Park Road)….there is much much more info on Hackney squatting and the 281 Hackney Hell Crew Krew and all this can be read on my squatting page at my website…just type in…punk up close and personal……into google and its the fourth page or so down…the one at weebly dot com…hope you like the memories…both good and bad…I am still updating it from memory…happy reading old punkie-wunkie peeples.
June 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 am
Anthony thanks for the link to your memories – but by the time I’ve typed all that into my search engine are you the real deal?
Fourth flight up but right now it feels like underground? I’m channelling Lloyd Cole
June 6th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hello Mister Puppy….I have a website link but your filters blocked me and put me in the junk…so I thought I´d go the long way around to get my ´time´ out there to people who maybe would like to read it all from a ‘part’ of it actually there (way back then)…all I have done is (“Jennifer she said lets”) put it writing (form) for your passing traffic searching for yesteryear…Cheers
June 6th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Here is the Punk Squatting Page website link for you Tony (and your viewers too!)
http://punk-rock-photography.weebly.com/squatting.html
August 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
[...] about gigs at The Blue House on the excellent Kill Your Pet Puppy site. (See the comments sections here, here and [...]
October 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Brilliant to see that old photo of the Hell Crew which brought back a lot of memories. Also nice to read the comments and conversations between folk I remember from those days. My fondest memory of the time was when Caz and I (both still in Antisect at that time I think), joined Pus, Martin (Brad Caddis), Alien and others to see the Butthole Surfers at the Ambulance Station, and ended up sleeping over. Nice drunken night and hilarious morning blagging food in a cafe on the Old Kent Road. I remember Martin wearing a full lenghth leopard print coat flying in the wind behind him as he walked down the street. I bumped into Martin in Hastings last year with Karen (? apologies if I have Karen’s name wrong I’m terrible with names), and it was great to see them both. Martin said he recognised me from my walk!?! I also remember Alien ended up attending a training session I was running for people wanting to start their own business in Tottenham about 10 years or more ago. Wonder if he ever went into business? Sad to hear that so many unique individuals are no longer with us, may they rest in peace, but nice and reassuring to see that Monty and Ollie are also still alive and kicking. Antisect have reformed of course, though I am no longer in the line up. All the very best to you all. John
February 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 am
Pus ‘Goatsbreath’ got stabbed after jumping out a window in Bristol during a drug deal that went horribly wrong back in the late 1980′s.
to update and prevent any “nonsense tales” about pus…out of the 5 blokes who stabbed pus 3 of em od`d within 3-4 yrs after pus`s death…the other 2 were killed in seperate incidents by “person or persons unknown”…it’s true i was questioned in relation to these deaths as were a few other people but lack of evidence AKA none has led to nuffink tho none of us has officially been 100% cleared of any involvment…its also been at least 10 yrs since a copper last talked to me bout it…all info i’ve just said is fact nuffink more, nuffink less…if u hear otherwise then your bein lied to…
————————-
BULLSHIT
The `FACTUAL` series of events that led to the death of Pus
He turned up at the squat at about 2am – the guy(s) who were due to turn up with the drugs
NEVER ARRIVED
at half 8 in the morning – there were loadsa folks there waiting – Pus went off to the local supermarket n bought 6 cans of Brew and a half bottle of cheap vodka
When he went back to the house – he fell out with everyone there cos he wouldn’t share
He drank the lot n fell asleep
when the pubs opened – everyone left n went to the pub as thats where it was they was gonna score
he was left behind – sleeping
two guys in the pub that had been at the house – had left stuff behind
they were asking for the key to the gaff
The kid whose house it was – Scots John (Borthwick) from Aberdeen – wouldn’t give the key
`Theres a guy in there asleep` – just `knock` on the door & he`ll let you in – they was told
they went to the house – Bang Bang Bang
& they got frustrated cos he wouldn’t wake up
they started shouting shit through the letterbox at him…..
then he woke up – n started shouting back
FUCK OFF – FUCK OFF
they got proper fucked off – started yellin they was gonna kick the shit out of him
he picked up a hoover – & n he threw it through the front door glass – `AT THEM` – then they got in
they kicked n punched him
& `one` of them `stabbed him` `ONCE`
the blade went in 12mm Deep & was 6mm wide
it was a stupid tiny little lock knife
they then dragged him (ankle each) down the (6) outside concrete steps – and they dragged him about 80m down the road & flung him in the back of a semi derelict van that a local prostitute `lived in`
local do-gooders phoned the pigs – n when they turned up – they went to the back of the van to talk to him
He told them to FUCK OFF
So they did
it was about 3 hours later at about 7pm
the tom turned up – and started shouting
WooOOooo ! Get this dirty crusty punk out me van
He`s bleeding all over me bed
Scots John was there – they had all come back to the house by then
Couple of folks got him out the van – he `staggered` about 7 meters & collapsed to the floor
Everyone who was anyone – knew what had happened – that’s why they all stayed in the pub on CCTV for as long as they did
Scots John – was alright – he never did fuck all bad to anyone
it was he who went to Pus`s aid – noticed his lips n ears were turning Blue
and `HE` rang for an ambulance
the 12mm stab wound had `pierced` the bag that the heart lives in
for just over 4 hours – this bag filled with blood – slowing his heart beat
`Hello Bristol n Avon Ambulance Service – How can we Help`
Hello – ther’es a kid in the street that needs serious urgent help – l think he`s dying – you gotta come quick
`What makes you think he`s dying ?` – is he breathing ?
He`s been sta….. – l DON’T KNOW – all I know is that he needs URGENT Help – QUICK
Ambulance arrived and took Pus to hospital
Scots John was arrested shortly after – due to his `self admission` of KNOWING Pus had sustained a stab wound
Pigs `KNEW` he never done it – but they charged him with MURDER
Scots John spent the next 11 months in HMP Horfield
`I was his cell partner for 5 months`
I read EVERY STATEMENT all 4,000 pages of them !
including the pictures of him in the morgue
When Pus got to the hospital – the trauma team nurses
REFUSED to treat him – this is straight up
he was `Filthy` hadn’t had a bath in 3 years – was covered in lice
& those of you who knew him – KNOW this
was an Australian Doctor who treated him – he died in hospital
his heart stopped – they injected some shit into him to get his blood pumping – but it didn’t work – cos the bag surrounding his heart was full of blood – was a lost cause
that’s what caused his death
because the stab wound was so small and because he was so filthy – it weren’t `obvious` to the Doc that he`d been stabbed – looked like a small `scratch`
his cause of death was FIRST discovered during his `autopsy`
I KNEW Pus – I was a Wood Green Crusty for years and all – gigs at the Ballet School – & Kardboard Box – Hackney Hell Crew
Scottish Allan – Donald – Glasgow Mark – Craig the young Glaswegian – Tania
Trigger was Pus`s girlfriend if you remember – She and him had a big fall out
He held a knife to her throat and told her if she ever went off with anyone else – he`d cut her face up
This was two to three weeks before we went to the Slayer Gig at Hammersmith Odeon – which would have made it March April 1987
It was shortly after this that Pus went to Bristol
The man `lived` & `Died` `BY THE SWORD`
You might not like to hear that – but its FACT
Scots John KNEW who did the deed – Pigs KNEW it
so as did a lot of people
`but he never turned anyone in`
and neither did any of them !
but that’s not `strictly` TRUE
Pigs DID find out – they went after – & got their man
`FOR SOMETHING ELSE`
The case was `CLOSED` & was best to be forgotten…..
Due to the FACT
Fingers were pointed at the Police `handling` of when they
spoke to Pus whilst he `LAY DYING` in the back of that van
& there was ALSO Fingers pointing at the
MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE at the hospital
which FUCKED OVER any real chance of anyone being
convicted of his MURDER ????????
That’s why the case got buried
The Day BEFORE Scots John`s Trial
His Lawyers produced ANOTHER 102 witness statements who all said – John WAS in the pub at the time of the stabbing
……just thought l`d clear that up
April 30th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
So which HHC member tattooed Goat Breaths forehead then? I saw the wee fella at the time and the reaction around Hackney was visceral.
May 7th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Hi
I am a researcher and investigator who is very interested in finding out more about the murder of Pus Goatbreath – if anyone has any further information please email me at unsolvedbristol1987@gmail.com.
Any contact will be treated in the strictest confidence.
I am particularly interested in hearing from “Nosh” who posted the comment above on February 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 am.
Thanks
John