Sean Forbes Selection

Indebted to Sean for the lend of this tape…Sean ex All The Madmen Records, 69 Tapes mogul, Wat Tyler vocalist, then drummer / vocalist. Hard Skin vocalist (with members of Thatcher On Acid), Rugger Bugger Records supremo, and now putting out some good stuff on his Demo Tapes label. Releases include Touch Of Hysteria, The Mental, Solvent Abuse so far, all on limited vinyl. More in the pipeline including Blyth Power ‘A Little Touch Of Harry’ on vinyl.

Any info please contact Sean at PO Box 357, London, SE19 1AD.

Sean is such a lovely guy, who helps people all the time, so please give him a smile if you pass through one of the Rough Trade shops W11 and E1 (yes E1). He is still active in those shops (he will not be at both the shops at the same time though…he is a big bloke but not THAT big!).

Anyway here goes, first a band featuring Dig from (later on) Earache Records, who made his first label success with bands like Heresy and Napalm Death, with his noise band The Scum Dribblers. Not for sensitive ears this one…

Second up is The Passion Killers, a band that spawned Chumbawumba a little later on in the mid 1980’s. I must admit I had to do things around the house, so I left this cassette running. I did not expect the Scum Dribblers to be quite so short! So instead of two separate posts you have chalk and cheese with both these bands following on in the download…sorry’ ’bout that! 

Scum Dribblers – Alferton, Nottingham 02/12/83 –Noyze Song / Yahoo / Oh Yea / Motorbike Song / Flea In A Tree / Skateboard Song / Language In The Road / Walking Down The Street / Eat Wheat Not Meat / Steamroller / Down Song / Smily People / Got A Show / Anything Song / Bum Feeler / Gnome Song / Caterpillar / Crop / Kill Tunz / Kalu / Soap Factory / Write A Song / Yahoo / Aeroplane Song /// Passion Killers – Station, Gateshead 14/01/84 – Fighting Carries On / What’s Inside / Start Again / Suffering / Judging By The Headlines / Stand As One / Big Tough Hardman

See what I mean about the Scum Dribblers set being actually quite short!

Heres some text about the history of Scum Dribblers courtesty of Huggis from the band:

Scum Dribblers was formed in the summer of 1983 on Pleasley Hill, Mansfield (Adie Gills bedroom, actually, tho I can’t remember the house number). 

The band was: Adie Gill, myself and Phillip “Pip” Edge.  I had 2 guitars – a cheap 1st guitar and my then new VOX Standard 24.  I swapped the cheap guitar with Adie for some old punk t-shirts (DKs, Sex Pistols). 

Pip was living rough at the time and was sleeping over the road in the bicycle shed of the defunct Pleasley Hill School with just an electric guitar for company (Memory: Pip had a pair of leather trousers hed made from an old coat hed found but the crotch went nearly to his knees.  He slept in and wore an old sheepskin-type coat the likes of which I’d never seen and have never seen since!   

Lucky for us I had an amp with 2 inputs (a huge dirty orange combo (no makers name).  It had 2 huge 14″ speakers in it and it took the 3 of us to carry even 1 yard.  We organised a proper jam session in a small room in the school that was being rented by 1 of Adies mates brothers as a workshop or something.  We were joined by a youth (cant remember his name Im afraid) who lived on Abbots Croft just up the road from me.  I think he was expecting us to start playing like Deep Purple or something…bit of a shock for the poor lad (he was older than me actually).  I was crap BUT FAST, Pip wasnt much better BUT FAST and the amp was LLLLOOOOOOUUUUUDDDDD!   

Adie by this time had decided to stick to “vocals??” (good job I had a microphone then-innit?) (I remember some lyrics about avoiding dog shit in the park when its dark). Sometime after (days or weeks, but probably days) Adie announced that his mate (who I presume is this Dig fella) had scored us a gig in Nottingham supporting The Sub Humans.  Jeez, a couple hours jammin thrash and no actual songs AND WERE PLAYING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE NEXT WEEK. 

Well, some may say that that is or was or was partly the epitome of the whole punk culture but it was a bit scary too.  The nite of the gig is indelibly etched upon my brain albeit 25 years ago (almost to the week!!).  It was late September and hot – blue sky, little fluffy clouds, etc.  I caught the 63 to Nottingham in the evening.  I was wearing dockos, ripped black stretch jeans, Dks t-shirt (gun to the head of statue of liberty), leather jacket with Crass emblem painted on the back, me dogs collar and name tag, mirrored sunglasses.  The hair as always spiked with soap.  Pip was late and I had to go without him (I was getting really nervous by this time cos I thought I was on me own).  However, my being lost in Nottingham gave Pip a chance to catch up.  My mam drove him trying to catch up the bus but ended up taking him all the way to Nottingham (good old Mam). We met up in the square in the middle of Nottingham.

The venue was the Ad Lib Club (that later became The Garage) but we didn’t know where it was.  We saw small groups of punks walking around heading in a general direction so we followed them and hey presto arrived. We wandered in and Adie was already there with Tim Cairns.  All the punks in Mansfield had planned to see Sub Humans in Sheffield but a small group came to Nottingham just to give us support – Shirley Cotterhill, Dave “Slob” Dukes and Tim Cairns.  It was Tim who coined the name Scum Dribblers rejecting my idea of Mutant Veg (fine by me). 

Before I forget… the Ethos of the band was simple – to be the WORST, MOST CRAPPEST, but FASTEST and NOISIEST absolute CLIFF OF WHITE NOISE band EVER (with the WORST NAME too!!!). Pip and I stashed our guitars and went outside to get stoned.  Up to this point none of us had given any thought to the fact that we had no drummer!!!!!  Sitting outside was another familiar face from Mansfield – Pommi, Riot Squads most excellent drummer.  Pip and I took a managerial decision (ah ah) and said we would get him in for free if hed drum for us, “Find me some sticks” he said jumping up.  I was feeling a whole lot better n better.  The gig had 6 bands and we were first up.  Pip walked to the far end of the stage and plugged into the guitar amp.  He had loads of trouble with 1 of his effects pedals and it kept cutting out.  I had to plug my Boss DS1 into the bass amp but that and the Super Distortion pickups on my guitar gave only feedback so I had to dispense with the DS1. Pommi squeezed in behind the drums and got ready.  Pip was sorted and Adie was looking back wondering when we were going to start.  I had positioned myself behind a large square pillar at the front of the stage because my nerves had returned. My hands were ringing wet – and I couldnt move my hand on the fretboard!!!  A guy from another band tapped me on the arm and handed me a bottle of talc which cured the problem.  I played fast thrash non-stop for 20 minutes, Pip played a fast lead riff non-stop for 20 minutes, Adie jumped about, fell on the floor, gyrating n such and making up lyrics on the spot Im sure, Pommi had to keep stopping cos hed never had to play so fast before and was knackered. It was a complete anarchic experience – no plan, each of us just went nuts and played what we wanted fast n loud.  My nerves were gone after a few minutes and I came out from behind the pillar and had good look at the crowd. 

Absolute calm had come over the crowd.  100+ folks standing around with their arms folded and grim looks on their faces – what were they expecting fucking DEEP PURPLE?????????????????  After 20 minutes someone made us stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  By that time I’d noticed 2 or 3 people tapping their feet.  The “performance” was supposed to have been taped by the soundman (who might have been that Dig fella? not sure) but he thought it was the sound check!!! Then some other bands played and we went home.  Due to artistic, lifestyle and personal differences Pip and I never played again with Adie and Pommi carried on as normal with Riot Squad. 

As far as I am concerned Scum Dribblers was an EVENT that took place. A complete 1-off EVENT that was seminal in all our individual lives that can now (sadly) never be repeated.  Our mates Shirl and Dave have always maintained that the show was really really good and they are honest folks.  Pommi always remembers the gig with a big grin.  Pip and I see each other twice a week or so – guitars being present (still having problems with them effing pedals).  

I lost touch with Adie and Tim and never saw the other Scum Dribblers play.  I thought at the time that  they should have renamed the band but then no-one would have remembered the Scum Dribblers.

I hope that reading this ramble down memory lane has entertained you as much as it has entertained me to remember it and write it down.

Facts:

FIRST GIG – Ad Lib Club, Nottingham, late September 1983
ORIGINAL FOUNDER MEMBERS – Adie Gill, John “Huggis” Hughes, Phillip “Pip” Edge, Pommi

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57 thoughts on “Sean Forbes Selection”

  1. Great! Total Thrash of an intense and heavy kind!
    Unbridled free expression and the liberating power of noise…

    The Skum Dribblurzzzz were originally started by two maniacs called Tim and Ade from mansfield who were heavily into global thrash (Disorder, Wretched, United Mutation) and noise: they were very influenced by Discharge and Disorder’s advocation of ‘Noise Not Music’ (which was – I believe – coined as a slogan by the Stoke-on-Trent noise band Asylum in 1982)…

    Wat Tyler – ‘Hops and Barley’: great track…

    Starting as a 2-piece, they later expanded to a line-up which included Dig: at the time, he was writing the fanzine Dawning of a New Error, promoting concerts in Nottingham (including Rudimentary Peni, Flux, Antisect, Discharge, Wretched and so on), and doing his ‘fake’ band Genocide Association (famous for a 105 song demo in 1984)…He went on to become the mogul of the Earache Records empire…

    The band played quite a few concerts in 1983 and 1984 (I probably saw them about 10 times around this time), before going quiet..They reappeared briefly in 1986 before vanishing again…

    They also had many stupid lyrics:
    “I’m a motorbike: vroom, vroom, vroom”…
    “I’m an aeroplane, I like it when I fly! I’m an aeroplane – I like it when I crash!”

  2. had pleasure of playing on same bill as scum dribblurrzzzz at portland training college for the handicapped in notts. ade thought it well funny to get off with a disabled girl in a wheel chair and am so sorry to hear he had died. wot a character

  3. Ah, I didn’t know he’d died Jonny…
    R.I.P.
    Yes, Ade and Tim were both ‘characters’…
    🙂

    I played quiite a few gigs on the same bill as them as well – always a wicked doss…

  4. Remind me again what was so funny about getting off with a girl in a wheelchair, just for a reason to boast to his mates…sounds pretty dodgy to me, never knew him, perhaps he was a ‘character’, I would be able to think of other descriptions though…

  5. yes. such as ‘wanker’. if that was his idea of ‘well funny’ fucking good riddance to him 🙂

    Nic, i’m very surprised/disappointed.

  6. I don’t know where I condoned anything in my post, Chris?
    (I presume thats the reason for the ‘surprise’ and ‘disappointment’)
    If anything, I thought I indicated some issue with it by the use of italics…

    I’m not about to indict anyone on account of a single action (particularly an action which I have no experience of or verified proof of its actual existence, other than an unverified comment on an internet website) – otherwise it would be a lonely world…
    I can’t think of anyone I have ever met who hasn’t done something unsavoury at some point in their life…

    In terms of disappointment, I guarantee it…

  7. yea, Nic, I totally agree with you (and completely misinterpreted your italics and smilie), i just detest that wanky ‘laissez-faire’ mentality that the anarcho punk scene was riddled with – “hey, whats-his-name in so-and-so beats his girlfriend up/is a member of the BM…still, great band!”. An attitude which the recent comments about some ‘character’ thinking it (allegedly) “well funny to get off with a disabled girl in a wheel chair” or some singer’s homophobic bullshit being somehow excused cos he’s a bit snooker-loopy reminded me of.

    it’s more the folk excusing and trying to write-off the unnaceptable actions of others that pisses me off than anything. i mean, Nicky Crane plays on one of The Afflicted’s singles – we both like The Afflicted, but we’re hardly gonna start spouting off fuckin’ defences of Crane, are we? Alas, it has often appeared to me that others are more partisan when it comes to such matters.

  8. I suppose it comes down to the question of whether the personal opinions / views / politics / prejudices of the creator of a work of art have any bearing on the actual work of art…

    It would seem to be both naive and untenable to suggest that a work of art exists in isolation. A work of art is an element within a complex dialogue: a dialogue with the subject, a dialogue with the observer – and also a dialogue with the creator…

    Just to make it clear: I won’t be an apologist for people who mock the less able-bodied, or people who hold (and actively promote) homophobic viewpoints (whether due to the social conditions they have been raised in, their religious beliefs, or their alleged state-of-mind – although this last element is more problematic)…

  9. Been following this thread and the Bad Brains one, and have come to the following conlusion: The very nature/idea, whatever of Punk, attracted the wild, the wierd, the wankers and the wonderful. Lets face it all of us who lived through punk were square pegs that finally found a round hole we could fit in. It’s just some off us had, and still have a brain.

  10. This will be my last post on this subject, so here goes…
    Personally I think ‘naïve’ is to think that you can only like art created by people that agree 100% with your views. I know virtually nothing about Salvador Dali, Joel Peter Witkin, David LaChapelle, Robert Williams and a ton of other artists, but I find their work incredible and inspiring.
    I love Charles Bukowski’s writing, but from interviews it’s clear that he was a miserable, sexist angry old man. Does that affect his body of work? To me it doesn’t in the slightest.

    Of course the most extreme example is Leni Riefenstahl who was Hitler’s personal cinematographer. Her film ‘Triumph des Willens’ is widely considered a masterpiece, and her 1936 Olympics footage is taught in film classes all around the world to this day because it’s absolutely stunning and amazing. Now to this day no one really knows her views on fascism as she always claimed to have been captivated by Hitler’s power as a public speaker, but disgusted by the acts of violence committed by the third reich. She also claims to have been angry and felt revolted and used because her films were used for propaganda. Leni was clearly conflicted (at least publicly) she was clearly infatuated by her subject yet publicly decried his actions, while continuing to work for him.
    The question is are her works ‘verboten’ because of her alleged politics (or inability to say take a stand against something she claims she disagreed with) or are they just to be taken for what they are poetic and powerful works of art, made by an individual with extremely poor judgment.

    Then to make things even less simple to understand in the early 70’s she became fascinated by the Nuba tribe in Sudan and spent months living with them in the bush and photographing them. Again the pictures are stunning and beautiful, hardly the work of a racist. Does her fascination with Hitler negate her work as an artist or does it just make her one of the most confusing and hard to categorize people of our lifetime.

    Now Nic and Chris I’m not trying to change your minds or educate you, I’m just asking rhetorical questions, I neither condone nor support Leni Riefenstahl, I’m just throwing that out there as one of the most extreme examples of the fact that life is not always black and white. There are almost always grey areas and people that will not conform to your standards of acceptable behavior.

    Your example of Nicky Crane was one of them. Was Nicky Crane ever a racist? The answer is actually no, he was actually just a repressed homosexual that was angry at the world and he found being a nazi skinhead as the outlet for his self hatred. After he accepted his homosexuality, he stopped being racist completely and used to say things like “I actually like black guys they have nice bodies” and was later prominently featured in films by Derek Jarman that clearly had a gay subtext.

    I’m also not making apologies for anyone’s racist or homophobic remarks, but I do understand that mental illness can be as debilitating as certain physical handicaps (often more so) and I don’t post smiley faces after comments about mental illness, but that’s just me.

  11. “…to think that you can only like art created by people that agree 100% with your views”
    You’re the only person who has suggested this, John: I certainly have never said anything like it – indeed, one of my posts above this one highlights the fact that I don’t expect anything so simple, just as other posts I’ve made acknowledge the ‘grey areas’ around everyones behaviour…

    I’m open to any piece of art, regardless of its angle: I’m just noting that a piece of work raises questions and issues, and that it may well be pertinent to address them – in fact, it can be useful and illuminating…
    The ‘Art for Arts Sake’ concept was put to bed at the turn of the C20…

    Thinking of your examples…
    Bukowski’s sexism and misogyny (partially hiding underneath misnathropy) permeates his work, and clearly does have an affect on the content of the work: his work is not a cold, detached analysis but has a particular line to elaborate, and the formal presentation of this content also extends this vision (stemming from the compact prose of Hemingway, with a dash of the ellipses of Carver)…

    Riefenstahl is – I agree – a very complex example…
    Formally – very interesting (although no more so than comparable work being undertaken throughout the 1920’s in the UFA studio or parallel work by artists such as Dreyer, Gance or Dulac) – although the use of shot composition and lighting is very much an expression of the political ideals of her paymasters…but certainly less interesting in terms of content…
    There is also a sizeable body of scholars who view her later photographic work as a similar expression of the sentiments she expressed in the 1930’s: I’m inclined – from her comments – to believe that she was very much a supporter of Hitler and back-pedalled at a later date, but – as you suggest – perhaps many would have done the same in her position at that time…

    I’m certainly not trying to educate you either, John, but you may find that exploring the background to an artists work can make for an even richer experience: it’s not an absolute necessity, but it can certainly be a valuable addition…

  12. “I don’t post smiley faces after comments about mental illness, but that’s just me”…
    I wasn’t sure what you meant by this, but I imagine it refers to the other thread on Bad Brains…
    The smiley face was certainly nothing to do with mental illness: I posted it to express my amusement at Chris’ witty critique of your previous comment which was intellectually debatable and rather pompous…

  13. “NB: Always found it a bit weird Bad Brains were even tolerated after espousing their homophobic bullshit. Fuck them.”

    could be construed as if they dont agree with me …

  14. Ok, to clarify: my original comment was not directed at those who enjoy the work of those who may have ‘dubious’ or downright odious beliefs; it was directed at those who will excuse their sentiments and basically act as apologists for them just because they like their music.

    “could be construed as if they dont agree with me”

    please just consider for a moment what we are talking about ‘agreeing’ with….

    PS: you’re wrong about Riefenstahl, it has been proved – her letters being published only last year – that she was 100% into it , and Crane served two prison sentences for racist attacks years after being outed and photographed under the ‘gay Skins’ banner at pride.
    NB: The film he was in, along with Trojan, was actually by Cerith Wynn Evans, though it was wrongly attributed to Jarman in Both Sounds and, on some TV program I remember seeing at the time.

  15. yea, that still on your blog of Crane is from the film I was meaning, “Epiphany” by Cerith Wynn Evans. Music was my Genesis PO so perhaps he used some of the footage for the ‘unclean’ video too, i remember he was into a lot of Oi! imagery round that time (“Oi! Skinhead” etc)

    Epiphany was reshown at the Barbican last year.

    NB: Crane was out long before 1992. I was going through an old copy of Searchlight dated 1985 only last night that had a feature on him doing the door at Heaven on Thursday nights, and also having done security at Pride.

    PS: Great blog by the way.

  16. The front cover of the “Oi” album that featured Crane was terrible. I can’t begin to wonder what was going through Bushell’s “mind” when he went for a cover like that. Regardless of whether he knew it was Crane or not, the very choice of cover shot showed Bushell to have a very nasty underside of violence.

    It was just mindless kicking of heads in the name of “street entertainment”.

    The whole Oi thing was loathsome.

  17. If you check out John Robb’s book ‘punk rock-an oral history’ gary bushell does mention the ‘strength thru oi’ debacle, the original ‘model’ for the photo shoot fell thru so they used an existing photo by martin dean of nicky crane, only when the sleeve was mocked up by decca the nazi tattoos became clear. Bushell claimed there wasn’t time to alter the sleeve, to quote, “i hold my hands up, my mistake, sorry ”
    I suppose crass hit the nail on the head with the song ‘rival tribal rebel revel’, sums up oi in a nutshell

  18. My point is not as to the mistake of using Crane in the picture, but the very style of the picture itself, ie promoting violence.

    “Oi” was a blind alley led by Bushell who then leapt off the bus and headed off into mainstream media.

  19. Hi Chris – glad you like the blog! I think Crane occupied a weird position between the mid 80s and properly “coming out”. There’s an interview with ian stuart donaldson where he talks about Crane justifiying his appearances in the videos and on the door at Heaven – he needed the money, it was where the management of his security firm sent him etc.

    Obviously all the Searchlight stuff could be dismissed as lefty smears etc by nazis.

    There is no way he could have been “out” and a co-founder of Blood & Honour, but I suspect a lot of “pure aryans” turn a blind eye to a lot of “degenerate” behaviour as long as its by their mates/comrades….

  20. haha!! “Gentle Touch” security, wasn’t it? great name.

    I think Stuart may have been trying to put a gloss over it as Crane also founded the ‘Gay Skins’ group (who made their first public appearence at Pride around mid 80s around the same time as B&H surfaced, which back then wasn’t really much more than a distribution network for Skrewdriver records after Joe Pearce laid claim to the ‘White Noise’ name). Plus Stuart would have been staying with Crane at the Ferndale Hotel, in Kings X around then so was perhaps a bit anxious about crane’s increasingly public proclivities tarnishing his own rep.

    that would, incidentally, have been around the time the NF leadership included other such ‘confirmed batchelors’ as Martin ‘Liberace’ webster and Patrick ‘Ducky’ Harrington.

    Think a lot of blind eyes were being turned back then, and no doubt today.

  21. R.I.P. adey gill. …. leave him be.
    Tim still around mansfield sometimes…he’s a mountaineer / climbing instructor…both were/ are good people.
    Remember it was 26 years ago.

  22. Sorry I’m late…I’m surprised at how the response to Ade’s flippant remark about ‘getting off with a disabled girl’ at Portland Training College for Handicapped in Notts. went around the houses, but made for interesting reading, didn’t know Ade had died, but I’m sure he would have ‘actually liked disabled women’s bodies’ and wouldn’t actually hurt a fly. I lived with him for 3 months whilst playing bass with SD during 1985, and in his defense he rarely ever said stuff like that, it wasn’t in his ‘character’, it was more likely someone else using Ade as a scapegoat, saying, “Wouldn’t it be well funny to get Ade off with a disabled girl” as Ade was usually the butt of people’s jokes and behind his back pranks anyway, I guess Tim Cairns would be the only person that could give us the truth behind it, and in any case, he certainly deserves to be remembered as a bloke with a good heart as he was a caring type actually, and if we took everything we hear about people we’ve never met in person before as literal, especially when they aren’t around to defend themselves, we would have never given peace a chance eh?

    If anyone is still in contact with Tim Cairns from Scum Dribblers, Ian Glasper is interested to hear his story about the band for his 3rd book, UKHC from 1985 onwards.
    Ian is the new bass player for Flux of Pink Indians, and can be found on myspace.com

  23. Jay Vee – how about telling us a bit more about your time in the Skum D’s (such as how it came about, gigs you did and so on)…

    The reason I ask is that I saw the band quite a few times in 1983 and 1984 (and used to write to Tim C back then), and then saw them and played at gigs on the same bill as them in 1986…
    However, I don’t know what they were up to in 1985 – or what happened when they seemed to drop off the planet at the end of 1986…

    By the way, I may have a potential lead on Tim Cairns, Jay Vee…and I owe Ian Glasper an email, so I’ll mention to him…

  24. Hi Nic – I’ve already sent a reply to Ian Glasper about my involvement with Skum D’s during 1985, if you want the full story ask him, but briefly I played bass for Tim and Ade for 3 months and 13 gigs in total…some of those gigs were at the Westfield Folkhouse in Mansfield. So what band were you in yourself Nic, and do you have any leads on any members of Joust? (Ses, Kev, and any others I’d like to contact) as this is getting very interesting, cheers.

  25. Ah, life is too short to email him to find out the story – I’ll wait until the book is published…

    I was in Napalm Death (end of 1981 to end of 1986)…

    I haven’t seen any of Joust since the 1980’s – sorry…

  26. Fairplay Nic – never know you might even bump into Tim in the meantime…
    if you do and he can’t remember who I was, it’s probably cos he knew me as ‘Lofty’.

  27. Aye, Gawd Bless Ade RIP, nice bloke. How many anarcho punx does it take to change the world? Answer: 2, one to locate the squat, one to fiddle the meter. One thing to hold onto peeps which is we are still human beings, full of contradictions and uncertainty. As punx we were passionate, hopeful and quite possibly drunk! We all meant well and on occasion, quite possibly, were arseholes from time to time. Lets have no room for disappointment and more time for hope.

  28. “We had hope, in a sea of hopelessness…” that’s the introductory statement to a song by a band called ‘Against All Authority’ – All Fall Down is the song…just wanted to name that tune in one hee hee…
    Also, there were 2 hopes in this world; one of ’em was Bob Hope, the other was ‘No Hope’. So we all fell down, picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves down and Punk lived again, albeit through the excesses of hard core, when it had ran out of ideas…we somehow get drawn back to that place where we miraculously self – heal: the Punk scene wherever we find it…Yahoo Yaboo! Eat Wheat Not Meat.

  29. Penguin – could you PM me an email address for Sean Forbes?
    I believe he has put out a vinyl version of the demo by Violent Uprising (Liverpool thrashers from 1982), and I’d like to snaffle a copy…

  30. Time flies but Motorbikes go Vrooooom! Vrooooooom! Vroooooom! 🙂 Hee hee…Have you heard owt from the cool mountaineer Tim yet Nic?

  31. I play a total of 65 gigs with the scum dribblers out of a total of 85 only tim played them all dig played about 2 to 3 times as there were 3 main band members tim,ade and fred

  32. Hello Fred…were you living in Barnsley during 1985? I remember Tim and Ade mentioned the original drummer except for Dig (if that was Dig’s role in SD / Genocide Association) lived in Barnsley, couldn’t remember the name.

  33. Nice one, Fred…
    I saw you play quite a few times in 1983 and 1984, and then again in 1986: always loved it…
    Total Thrash Doss at 100% intensity – definitely not for Weakeners…
    (Tim turned me on to the almighty United Mutation: very grateful for that)…

    You need to archive the Skum D’s history before it vanishes into the mists of time…

  34. yes and still living here it was a shock to hear about ade great bloke the thing about the disabled girl is put in the wrong context they were good friends he just wanted to make poeple laugh and wouldn’t hurt a fly

  35. There was a video recording of Scum Dribblers at the Mansfield Gala in 1985
    -(Tim on vocals and his excellent home-made Fender copy guitar and funny cobbed together effects pedals, Ade on drums, and me on bass)
    -it was filmed by someone that worked at The Westfield Folkhouse during my time there, it would be great to see that on Ian Glasper’s DVD for UKHC 1985 onwards, and a rare archive indeed.

    I agree whole-heartedly with you about Ade, Fred…I did mention in a reply on this post a few days ago that Ade wouldn’t hurt a fly.
    Do you remember his brother, Gilbert? We had some good laffs with him at the flat.

  36. I saw the video at that Mansfield Youth Club thingy back in the day. Was weird to see SD playing on what seemed like a huge fucking arena! Stuck in my mind cos of that if nowt else. Yes SD can’t be consigned to the dustbin of history, cos they were a lot of fun and makes me smile, which is what it was all about eh? I remember Fred on Drums, Aide on vocals, Tim on guitar, original bassist I can’t recall, had blonde hair, Jayvee replaced him, but never got to see that line up.

  37. Jane was a bass player in SD’s before me, a lass with natural red hair, Tim was very fond of her, she only quit because of University commitments and remained a great friend of Tim’s, she gave me a tape of the beautiful L.P. of Danbert Nobacon that had just been released at that time, ‘Unfairy Tales’ and we had a SD day out to Sherwood Forest that I remember…anyway, I won’t say anymore cos Ian G. has my story to publish in his book, if it doesn’t get put in the book or DVD of his next book, I’ll tell Nic more if he’s still interested.
    The bass player with blonde hair Thomp mentioned could have been Richard? He spent a lot of time at Ade’s flat….

    Another bit of SD trivia for ya’s though, Tim also had another project he made tapes of, calling the band ‘Skreechy Skroochers’, Fred may remember…?

  38. Hmmm Richard, not sure, just remember him impersonating a telephone at a gig in Northampton. Infact I remember everything but the girl, oh dear… Anyhow I understand that Mr Glasper has been in touch with Tim, which is good, hopefully Fred will get input too.

  39. tim did something with a mate from milton keynes cant remember exactly what, jane did play bass for SD so did richard so did my brother once in mansfield me and jane was a couple until she went to uni she still had a thing for tim met up with ade about 10 years ago but havent seen tim since 1985, would like to

  40. I haven’t seen Tim since 1985 either, we’ll have to have a re-union Fred, get a gig somewhere as a tribute to Ade.

    I met you once Fred, but doubt if you’ll remember me – Milton Keynes isn’t far from Wellingborough, think Tim always told people I was from Milton Keynes cos they were more likely to know where Milton Keynes was rather than Wellingborough 😉

    I can still imagine Tim walking around wearing shorts in all weathers…bless him, sounds like he’s got the ideal job for himself now with the training people mountaineering thing, he’s the outdoor type, and wish him all the best anyway if never see him again sniff sniff…

  41. Anybody know how/where to get a copy of the Violent Uprising demo tape on vinyl which Nic mentions? (They were a v.fast and loud Preston band)

  42. I thought I would write to clarify some points that may be important to anyone interested in Scum Dribblers EARLIEST history. I googled SD and was very surprised indeed to find any reference at all and followed a short trail to this site.

    Scum Dribblers was formed in the summer of 1983 on Pleasley Hill, Mansfield (Adie Gills bedroom, actually, tho I can’t remember the house number). The band was: Adie Gill, myself and Phillip “Pip” Edge. I had 2 guitars – a cheap 1st guitar and my then new VOX Standard 24. I swapped the cheap guitar with Adie for some old punk t-shirts (DKs, Sex Pistols). Pip was living rough at the time and was sleeping over the road in the bicycle shed of the defunct Pleasley Hill School with just an electric guitar for company (Memory: Pip had a pair of leather trousers hed made from an old coat hed found but the crotch went nearly to his knees. He slept in and wore an old sheepskin-type coat the likes of which Id never seen and have never seen since! 🙂 ) Lucky for us I had an amp with 2 inputs (a huge dirty orange combo (no makers name). It had 2 huge 14″ speakers in it and it took the 3 of us to carry even 1 yard. We organised a proper jam session in a small room in the school that was being rented by 1 of Adies mates brothers as a workshop or something. We were joined by a youth (cant remember his name Im afraid) who lived on Abbots Croft just up the road from me. I think he was expecting us to start playing like Deep Purple or something…bit of a shock for the poor lad (he was older than me actually). I was crap BUT FAST, Pip wasnt much better BUT FAST and the amp was LLLLOOOOOOUUUUUDDDDD 🙂 Adie by this time had decided to stick to “vocals??” (good job I had a microphone then-innit?) (I remember some lyrics about avoiding dog shit in the park when its dark). Sometime after (days or weeks, but probably days) Adie announced that his mate (who I presume is this Dig fella) had scored us a gig in Nottingham supporting The Sub Humans. Jeez, a couple hours jammin thrash and no actual songs AND WERE PLAYING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE NEXT WEEK. Well, some may say that that is or was or was partly the epitome of the whole punk culture but it was a bit scary too. The nite of the gig is indelibly etched upon my brain albeit 25 years ago (almost to the week!!). It was late September and hot – blue sky, little fluffy clouds, etc. I cought the 63 to Nottingham in the evening. I was wearing dockos, ripped black stretch jeans, Dks t-shirt (gun to the head of statue of liberty), leather jacket with Crass emblem painted on the back, me dogs collar and name tag, mirrored sunglasses. The hair as always spiked with soap. Pip was late and I had to go without him (I was getting really nervous by this time cos I thought I was on me own). However, my being lost in Nottingham gave Pip a chance to catch up. My mam drove him trying to catch up the bus but ended up taking him all the way to Nottingham (good old Mam). We met up in the square in the middle of Nottingham. The venue was the Ad Lib Club (that later became The Garage) but we didn’t know where it was. We saw small groups of punks walking around heading in a general direction so we followed them and hey presto arrived. We wandered in and Adie was already there with Tim Cairns. All the punks in Mansfield had planned to see sub Humans in Sheffield but a small group came to Nottingham just to give us support – Shirley Cotterhill, Dave “Slob” Dukes and Tim Cairns. It was Tim who coined the name Scum Dribblers rejecting my idea of Mutant Veg (fine by me). Before I forget… the Ethos of the band was simple – to be the WORST, MOST CRAPPEST, but FASTEST and NOISIEST absolute CLIFF OF WHITE NOISE band EVER (with the WORST NAME too!!!). Pip and I stashed our guitars and went outside to get stoned. Up to this point none of us had given any thought to the fact that we had no drummer!!!!! Sitting outside was another familiar face from Mansfield – Pommi, Riot Squads most excellent drummer. Pip and I took a managerial decision (ah ah) and said wed get him in for free if hed drum for us, “Find me some sticks” he said jumping up. I was feeling a whole lot better n better. The gig had 6 bands and we were first up. Pip walked to the far end of the stage and plugged into the guitar amp. He had loads of trouble with 1 of his effects pedals and it kept cutting out. I had to plug my Boss DS1 into the bass amp but that and the Super Distortion pickups on my guitar gave only feedback so I had to dispense with the DS1. Pommi squeezed in behind the drums and got ready. Pip was sorted and Adie was looking back wondering when we were going to start. I had positioned myself behind a large square pillar at the front of the stage because my nerves had returned. My hands were ringing wet – and I couldnt move my hand on the fretboard!!! A guy from another band tapped me on the arm and handed me a bottle of talc which cured the problem. I played fast thrash non-stop for 20 minutes, Pip played a fast lead riff non-stop for 20 minutes, Adie jumped about, fell on the floor, gyrating n such and making up lyrics on the spot Im sure, Pommi had to keep stopping cos hed never had to play so fast before and was knackered. It was a complete anarchic experience – no plan, each of us just went nuts and played what we wanted fast n loud. My nerves were gone after a few minutes and I came out from behind the pillar and had good look at the crowd. Absolute calm had come over the crowd. 100+ folks standing around with their arms folded and grim looks on their faces – what were they expecting fucking DEEP PURPLE????????????????? After 20 minutes someone made us stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By that time Id noticed 2 or 3 people tapping their feet. The “performance” was supposed to have been taped by the soundman (who might have been that Dig fella? not sure) but he thought it was the sound check!!! Then some other bands played and we went home. Due to artistic, lifestyle and personal differences Pip and I never played again with Adie and Pommi carried on as normal with Riot Squad. As far as I am concerned Scum Dribblers was an EVENT that took place. A complete 1-off EVENT that was seminal in all our individual lives that can now (sadly) never be repeated. Our mates Shirl and Dave have always maintained that the show was really really good and they are honest folks. Pommi always remembers the gig with a big grin. Pip and I see each other twice a week or so – guitars being present (still having problems with them effing pedals) 🙂 I lost touch with Adie and Tim and never saw the other Scum Dribblers play. I thought at the time that they should have renamed the band but then no-one would have remembered the Scum Dribblers.

    I hope that reading this ramble down memory lane has entertained you as much as it has entertained me to remember it and write it down.

    Facts:

    FIRST GIG – Ad Lib Club, Nottingham, late September 1983
    ORIGINAL FOUNDER MEMBERS – Adie Gill, John “Huggis” Hughes, Phillip “Pip” Edge, Pommi

  43. I went to that gig at the Ad-Lib (Subhumans, Faction, etc) in September 1983: I didn’t realise it was the first Skum D’s concert…

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