Micky, talking about scottish punk, when i was home at xmas i also unearthed a compilation tape i put out which featured lots of Stirling and surrounding areas punk bands no one will ever have heard of, but many of which are pretty good.
and also the master copy of a tape i put out by a local band called The Fakes, who may ring some bells as John Peel famously said their one and only release, ‘Production’ was one of his favourite records and played it on some TV programme about him. You can read about them here
first band I ever saw, the bassist , jamzy, was our next-door neighbour.
Think the single was put out by Johnny Waller who wrote a fanzine, if i remember rightly called ‘it ticked and exploded’ before going on to write for Sounds. Sure he put out a single by another great band, The Visitors on ‘Deep Cuts’ as well. Maybe even some others?
happy to pass the copies of these tapes to you if you fancy putting them up. can guarantee hardly anyone else on the planet will ever have heard them. Nic, you still got the comp tapes Miles put out? think i’ve still got the one with the early Political Asylum and Napalm Death tracks, but not too sure where it is. crazy to think how much that original Pushead artwork he sent over for the covers would be worth now.
once bought an e.p of scottish bands called ‘ha ha funny police’.main reason i got it cos a band on there were called xs discharge,had got them mixed up with ‘discharge’.got the real discharge ‘realities of war’ ep the following week.
one of the guys i work with plays in ‘external menace’ originally based in colebridge near glasgow now all living down here in manchester.think they have been playing on and off since 78ish.?think john is the last of the original menace.did you know them chris?
John, that ‘haha funny polis ep’ is AMAZING !! XS Discharge, The fegs, Defiant pose and some other from Paisley band whose name escapes me? the guy who put it out on, Graucho Marxist Records, Tommy kays was an absolutely lovely guy. A lot older and one of the Clydeside Anarchist group who put out the excellent ‘Practical Anarchy’ mag. Ran a bookshop on the westside, can’t remember where. he put out another EP by XS DIscharge which rejoiced in the glorious title ‘Life’s a wank’ but i’ve never heard it.
Think that would be Coatbridge, mate. No, i’ve never heard or seen ‘external menace’. always thought they were a later ‘no future’ type band but more than likely i’m mistaken.
Actually, there was some double CD compilation of rare single releases by Scottish punk bands that came out a year or two ago. Cant remember the name , but it was something utterly cringe-worthy like “Never mind the haggisses” or such like. Think there was a Fakes track on it. Anyone got that? Nic?
Ah, more synchronicity! I just came here to get the KYPP email address to send over some mp3′s for the site, and one of them is the ‘Life’s A Wank’ ep by XS Discharge! (plus their 2 cuts from the previous Groucho Marxist eps)…
I love The Fegs cut on ‘Ha! Ha! Funny Polis!’ ep – still gets a spin round ours after one too many Black Fox ciders…
Al Puppy – you knew Johnny Waller, didn’t you? Seem to recall you mentioning him somewhere on this here site…
External Menace had been around since the late 70′s, but didn’t manage to put out any vinyl until 1982 (on the Beat the System label which put out releases by One way System and Antisocial among others)…
They are in the first edition of Ian Glasper’s trilogy of books on UK Punk and Hardcore (‘Burning Britain’)…
couldnt find the zip file on shit-fi site so will wait to see if it gets uploaded here.
not heard it for half my lifetime so looking forward to see how its stood the test of time?
john from external menace has told me many scarey mad tales of the livingstone punks and the mayhem they caused.think john spent time down in blackpool living with guys from the fits who i think they shared a few gigs with.
thought they did a great cover of the ruts song ‘society’ on the album ‘process of elimination’
remember a band called scroteez? think the livi punks followed em around,came down to support the subs in manchester once and caused a riot, might have a photo left somewhere of this lively event.mad mad times
there used to be an absolutely mental livi band called ‘barbed wire’, who were probably involved with most of the aggro at edinburgh punk gigs back then. suffice it to say, i never went to any of their gigs.
wasn’t there some other livingstone band who did a record called the ‘overspill ep’ (livi being created as an edinburgh ‘overspill’ town)
Vorsprung durch technik as we say in bonnie Jockland. Downloaded a Free Sound Recorder. Used a double ended jack plug (ouch) to connect headphones output of vinyl record player to microphone input of computer.
Faffed around but ended up with an MP3 of nearly all of the Mod Cons ‘Buildings of the 70s’ (see above). Saved it, e-mailed it to myself (2 minutes to upload , 2 minutes to down load for 3 mins 23 secs music) – and there it was, hissing and crackling away just like the actual record had done about half an hour before.
Unfortunately Callum home for week end and he says “Stop muckin abaht, dad”. Sort of, he actually has a rather nice Edinburgh accent picked up at the Royal Blind School, but I can’t do one of those. Apart from the joke about sex. (What coal comes in in the posher bits of Embra)
Hehe…I just remembered…
I was in the boozer next to my home earlier tonight, and talking to a friend (who mentioned he had Ben Franks book and offered to lend it to me)..
and he said – I quote:
“Poltical Asylum? I remember them..the music was a bit ‘whoah!’ (wobble of open palm), but the politics were interesting”…
I know precious little of scottish punk but surely the Red Lights and Never Wanna Leave is one of the greatest songs ever. “Some people hate the rats,but they dont really know them,Me and those rats we get on fine…”
Was that song big in Somerset, Mark as Steve Corr loves it as well?
Nic, that Valves single is great although the rest of their stuff isn’t that much cop. I was quite fond of The Scars before they went all poppy.
Where do I start? well, on the subject of the ‘postcard scene’ ; through running dance clubs for ten years i became good mates with Paul Haig (Josef K fame) and in fact he’s playing a rare London gig in April. Should provide a pleasant interlude between the surrounding Whitehouse & merzbow shows. Must admit i was never a big Josef K fan , but some of the later solo stuff Paul recorded, collected on a wonderful retrospective CD called ‘conscience’ is stunning. Used to know Jo Callis of The Rezillos too. Funnily enough, i’ve just realised i met both of them through my acid house club running partner, Kenny, who was one drunken night of reminisecing i discovered was apparently in Spiked Copy, the band who I saw supporting Crass first time I ever saw them, in Stirling in 1981.
Nic, saw the Skids a couple of times. Pretty good live band as I recall. yes, they had some great songs. ‘Charles’ or the ‘Wide Open’ EP being one’s I’d suggest putting up?
The Valves I saw supporting Sham 69 at The Glasgow Apollo. was listening to ‘For Adolf’s Only’ just the other day. UTTERLY CLASSIC record! Just realised that as councidence would have it, another of the guys who DJ’d at clubs I did was Olly, son of Bruce Findlay who ran ‘Bruce’s records’ in Edinburgh and was The Valves’ manager.
BTW, didn’t some book come out on the scottish punk scene? Sure I remember someone saying something about that…
The Red Lights single (featuring the studio version of ‘Never Wanna Leave’) is really hard to come by (there were apparently only 500 copies made)…
Here’s a quick link to a video slideshow of the band doing the song: http://acnetreatment-s.info/Leave-Aside
Yeah, Luggy – The Valves never reached the heights of that single again (although ‘Tarzan of the Kings Road’ is a completely inspired title for a song!): the other records are more in keeping with their Pub Rock roots…
Apparently, their guitarist formed a band with Gary (Exploited) and Rob (Scars) after The Valves split…
I’ve got the Scars ‘Adultery / Horrorshow’ (Fast Records) single digitised for potential future upload to KYPP: great spikey guitars…
Chris – is that the Cold Spring organised Merzbow concert? they sent me an invite to it the other day – looks good…
Interested to hear Chris talking about putting out a compilation of Stirling punk bands would be interested to hear more about that. What’s your surname Chris? I managed the Fakes and later was involved in putting out the Ankle File compilation, some of the tracks have recently re-emerged on the latest in a series of American compilations under the Mesthetics heading-hyped2death.com.
Woah!! BILLY!!!! Great to hear from you mate!!! Chris Low here, grew up in the house beside Jamzy in Bridge of Allan, interviewed you and Johnny for my fanzine, which is up on some site somewhere. Plus loads of other Fakes stuff. By bizarre coincidence I unearthed that 1979 rehearsal tape just the other week and passed it on to Micky who does the uploads here so hopefully it’ll be up soon.
Yes, still got that comp tape, though I don’t think I ever put it out (features the Ideas, Screaming Babies, Belsen Horrors and others I can’t remember) and sure i’ve also still got copies of the Ankle File and some new Youth practices kicking about somewhere back at my old dear’s too.
Hope you’re well and best regards to anyone else from then if you’re still in touch. Cx
Hi Chris, you were discussing the band XS DISCHARGE from paisley.
I was the drummer on that single.Mad buyer studios in glasgow if I remember. I remember those days well. Paddy and Chic Docherty were the main characters though. The first gig we did was in the Burnside Tavern in Johnston, where a huge fight ensured after we had finished playing.There were other occasions too though,as you can imagine.What ever happened to those guys?I’m still playing the drums of course.
Good to hear people are interested.Ali
Great to hear you’re still about! loved that “ha ha funny polis” EP + “life’s a wank” – would love to get copies again if by any remote chance you ever find any knocking about. Seem to remember there was a feature in Sounds or NME around that time on the Paisley punk bands, and sure i’ve still got some old paisley RAR zine packed away somewhere with an interview with Tommy Kays, who I last saw about 15 years ago and was still running his printworks and doing stuff with the Clydeside Anarchists.
just discovered this site, i still have my copy of ha ha funny polis. xs discharge (lifted) love the intro. the fegs (mill st. law and order) defiant pose, song title escapes at the moment and the other band was urban enemies (who do you hate). favourite track has to be lifted.
Just found this! I run the Vicious Riff website which started off as an online archive of punk in Paisley. The Paisley scene grew rapidly mainly because of the short term punk ban in Glasgow which meant touring bands played Paisley instead at the Silver Thread and Bungalow Bar. Bands that played included Generation X, the Crabs, Buzzcocks, Boomtown Rats and a load of others. If you visit the site you’ll find a lot of info on this inclusing unseen before photos of the Clash and and an unseen before letter from Johnny Rotten to a Paisley punk! There are also pages on a number of Paisley bands including Defiant Pose, the Fegs, Mentol Errors – some with players. The site is a work in progress that I try to update regularly so keep checking back or drop me an email if you want to be informed about updates. Hopefully the XS Discharge page will be up on the next update!
Chris – if you can find the RAR zine I’d love a scan of it to add to the site. I credit everything sent in – just let me know how you’d like to be credited.
John – the Defiant Pose song is called Fight!
Things have been going well with the site so it looks like I’ll be broadening it to include Glasgow and other areas. If anyone has anything they’d like to contribute please contact me via the site at http://www.viciousriff.com
Last week I also added a forum so stop by to say hello. To get to the forum, go to the site and click on the Nice n Sleazy tab at the top left of the page. Cheers!
VR: will look it out and scan it for you as soon as. Also, I do remember there was a feature in Sounds on the Paisley scene shortly after the “Funny Polis” EP came out. Sounded pretty wild! I remember the article ended up with some gig the journo was meant to be attending being cancelled as the singer in the band had been arrested for stabbing someone!
Incidentally, i’m sure Tommy Kayes who ran Groucho Marxist will still be around and running Clydeside Press. maybe Ian S. on here may have a contact for him?
All the best with the site mate. Off to check it out now.
Thanks Chris! If you go to the Top of the Pops section on the site there are a couple of pages on the Ha! Ha! Funny Polis EP. For some reason, the Paisley Daily Express front page article disappeared from the site during the last update but I’ll put it back on for the next update early in the New Year. Thanks again!
Just had a look at the Vicious Riff website: nice one, VR…
I was only 12 when the ‘Ha Ha Funny Polis’ EP came out, but I’ve loved it ever since (especially that Fegs track – “All polis – they’re all the same!”)…
I’ve still got that NME cutting on the Ferguslie festival somewhere in one of my cuttings folders: I think I mainly saved it because I liked the layout of the fanzine page which the article re-printed…
Just found this site through my search for the ANKLE comp tape … I’m looking very hard for this tape and would be grateful if someone would sell me one of this. Pls contact me at : firstname.lastname@example.org
WErnER: I’ve still got my copy of The Ankle File but as luck would have it a fine fellow called Kenny just sent me a copy he has transferred to CD which i’ll be happy to send you a copy of. Listening to it the now. That Vertical Smiles track “The New Clash Single” is amazing. saw them at one of the first gigs I ever went to which was basically what could be only described as a Stirling Punk Festival with The Fakes, Vertical Smiles and others whose names escape me playing ontop of a building at Stirling Uni. early 1979 I believe. Those French Girls are on it too who I saw supporting The Skids, again at Stirling Uni. Good times!!
Hey Chris I just googled my old band The Screaming Babies from Edinburgh, do you really have us on tape ? I would love to hear it as I never had anything like that. But I do have some happy memories of supporting The Exploited and blurred memories of of many many great bands at clouds. Friday nights and avoiding the mental livi punks, happy days….
Hi guys Do you have, or know where I can get a copy of
FIRE EXIT 10 wee smashers or Zips live at Burns Howf
let me explain. . .
I’m writing a semi fictional book blending my own experiences of punk over a 20 year period with scene reports from all over the UK that usually get written out of the Pistols/Clash/Ramones & no-one else rubbish.
(I’m no writer I’ve only ever done my zine & pieces for the excellent Erics book which was my local scene back in 77) & I also have to fit this around doing the house up to sell before we emigrate to Australia in Sept & working full time nights as a nurse! but things are coming along well.
Although based around a real gig from the time, like I said it’s a fictional story based around memories of some mates who were involved in the Glasgow punk scene at the time ie
GerryAttrick/JockStrap/ViciousRiff/Bill Provoked/Jon Zips mixed with my own lively experiences scallying in Glasgow with Everton at both Celtic & Rangers in later years
I’ve knocked together a draft of a story involving my two fanzine sellers meeting up with the Glasgow punks before jumping on a Coach from Bruce’s to a gig the Jolt did over in Falkirk at Mannequins on 1st December 1977.
My problem as ever is in trying to describe the sound of the early Glasgow punk bands.
I’ve got boots of Johnny & Abusers/ Jolt/ Zone/ Valves/ but could really do with help describing the real punk bands. . .
Do you have, or know where I can get a copy of
FIRE EXIT 10 wee smashers or Zips live at Burns Howf (both bands were forming dec 1977)
fanzine reviews or memories of seeing early sets by FIRE EXIT/ZIPS/
Local zines I’m still trying to track down include . . .It ticked & exploded/Kingdom Come/Jungleland/Trash/Torn to threads/Chickenshit
So if you were in the A.P.G. or were a stanklifter, or have any info on any of the above, or were around the scene please get in touch, I’d love to hear your story.
I’d especially love to talk to
or stephen re Tommy Kaye
Thanks guys great site too, still remember the first time I bought KYPP zine it blew my mind
Mick Mada c/o email@example.com
& one time gig gower zine writer from Erics/Bradys/Planet X & various squats across Liverpool. now an old man
Actually, Mick, Tommy Kayes is probably the guy to speak to re the Paisley bands as he put out records by some of the best known acts (Haha Funny Polis ep, Life’s A Wank etc)
You may also find this interesting, from Peter McDougall’s ‘Just a boys game’ film. the band playing in the pub when there is the fight are, I believe, The Cuban heels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zAX6QNUA7w
February 17th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Hi guys Do you have, or know where I can get a copy of
FIRE EXIT 10 wee smashers or Zips live at Burns
Yip I’m Gerry Attrick and were still gigging in 2010 Fire Exit just gigged last night at Rockers Glasgow with Los Mondo Bongo (Mike Peters-Alarm / Derek Forbes – Simple Minds and a few guys from Joe Stummers Mescaleros) John McNeil for The Zips was at the gig as well. You can link John & the Zips through my sites. we have two sites my own at myspace.com/fireexit77 and the bands on fireexituk
We have released Timewall 7″ in 1979 and since quite a few vinyl and hard CDs oh and DVDs..you can catch us on you tube joined with Knox from the Vibrators at last years Rebellion festival uk…
Last year we played around 70 gigs..
We are only playing a handful of gigs now each year due to my ill health.
Were off to Rebellion Venice in May with Cock Sparra The boys and various bands and were doing Rebellion Blackpool UK with over 200 bands including the New York Dolls…anyway
Feel free to get in touch through the sites or direct at
Gerry & Fire Exit
Never heard of them ..sorry..Fire Exit have a song called “Wheelchair Outa Control” its on the site and on youtube. Also features on various comp cds like “Blackpool Bounce”"Nothing set in Stone” “Its a Cancerous Society” and a smashing funny wee video for “Glasgow Homeless” as well as 3 Fire Exit cds..
The song is about a buddy who ended up in a wheelchair and was suicidal but got right into punk & drink and is a dangerous wee bastard. Hahaha his name is Chris (he calls himself Chris Cripple) check out his site on myspace.
Caught Jimmy Saville’s Wheelchair I think twice – with Sedition here in Aberdeen. Bassist Calum would later join Oi Polloi for a time, before moving across the pond and joining forces with Death Mold, A.P.P.L.E., and most recently Final Conflict and Phobia.
I have been trying to locate any material from Post-Valves outfit Fun City. Anything other than the two tracks released on the ‘Mint Sauce For The Masses’ EP.
Tried Google, nothing! Even put out a request on Edinburgh Freecycle in vain hope, this is almost becoming an obsession!!
Don’t suppose, is there anybody out there…..
No thread about Scottish punk would be complete without some mention of Aberdeen’s finest Toxik Ephex, and who despite a split in ’91, are still kicking it to this day… and a nicer buncha folks you could not hope to meet. CD retrospective “Punk As Two Fucks” available through Topplers Recs. http://www.topplers.net/ … and for those who may not have come across Toxik, folks can check ‘em out here: http://www.myspace.com/toxikephex
I am writing a book on Cargo studios (Rochdale 1977 to 1984) and the bands that recorded there. If anybody could please pass on my contact details for The Fakes and any other bands that you may know who recorded there, it would be much appreciated and I will send you a book when it is printed.
I was at the Scroteez gig in Aston Under something nr Manachester!
Top night massive scrap with all the locals and boys in blue.
Oh the joys of Evo Stick and cheap booze, I think the Subs played okay as well x
that gig tommo was at drifters nightclub in duckinfield, ashton is next door. got jumped by perry boys (casuals) round the corner from the venue before we even got in.
yes was a top night, especially when i got knocked out by some huge scottish fella for fuck all, happy days you could always lean over the bar on a busy night and pull yerself a quick pint at drifters.
yep, subs were good that night shame about all the macho men.
Enjoyed The Last Supper Edinburgh liquid rooms Sat….loads of Paisley in attendance…maybe Steve should play Paisley next round?
Spoke to a drummer who squatted London at the time and who played with GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT, but didn’t get to find out if he had any tapes (I think he was responsible for exposing Paisley to The Mob/The Apostles!)
Getting closer to finding a copy of Glass Shells and Cars, but I wondered as Andy has featured so prominently here If you would post HAVE 2, Dave and others band?
Hi guys, I’m a new poster but with a personal interest in Scottish punk and post punk. I was wondering of anyone (particularly Chris Low) could help me out with some info – I’m trying to track down the titles of records apparently released by two bands from the Stirling area, the Hollow Men and Curious Reign. Any one know anything about them?
Are the Hollow Men the group who relesed a single ‘Future’ in 1981? Did Curious Reign actually release a single and was it before or after the ANKLE file tape? Many thanks for any light that can be shed on things.
Stephen, Chris is currently in Japan and has been for some time trying to get onto the message you left (and others on different posts) with no success. He will reply personally to you when he comes back to the UK in a few weeks.
@Stephen: Apologies for late reply but i’ve been out of the country and haven’t been able to post on this site.
I think I saw Curious Reign somewhere in Stirling, but really can’t remember much about them. have a feeling they were a bit like early Ultravox/Simple Minds and the other thing I remember for some reason is that one of them may have had a Kevin Keegan perm and ‘tache. Great help, eh? I never knew they released a single and am a wee bit surprised as i’m sure i’d have grabbed a copy if they had.
The Hollow Men i am pretty sure did release a single (with, a old western , Colt style revolver on it) as I remember being very surprised to see on (i think) the cover that they lived at the end of my family’s street, Henderson Rd in Bridge of Allan. I remember walking along there to make contact with them so I could write about them in my zine but there was no answer and no response to the note I left. So they remain as enigmatic as their name.
Sorry I cannot shed any further light on either band. Perhaps if Billy McChord pops up again he may be able to help out.
Incidentally, Jamzy Fake McEgg, if you’re here I unearthed the tape recording of that New Youth practice you took me along to – and jolly good it is too!
Trying to remember name of a band. Can only remember lyrics of one record,
“One day am gona go away,
Am going back to France to stay,
Midnight return to a Paris hotel,
Lost in the city streets … ”
Well something along those lines. Possibly an Edinburgh band circa 1980. Used to go to al the usual venues in Edinburgh, Glasgow etc. It was a single on record label that was a wee indie label.
Been driving me insane for years trying to remember.
I was one of the original members of a band from Livi called 1st Offence. We had a single out with a shite picture cover called Night the punks turned ugly in the early eighties, it sold 8,000 records although we didn’t see a penny and payed for the recording ourselves. We were meant to release a 10 incher with 8 songs through the same label (chaos records) but it never materialised though it was recorded.
I was with a great band called the Bayonet Babies from Livi for a few years and we were nearly signed up to Alternative Tentacles in the US but we split up in ’86 before it reached fruition and I didn’t touch a guitar for about 14 years. The Bayonet Babies flirted with a number of musical genres but were punk as it comes-whilst playing for Overspill (you guessed it, from Livingston) a guy from Perth gave me our full repertoire so I know have that.
Played guitar with the Assassins and made about 15 excellently recorded, more than half decent songs, and got a good following but we didn’t attempt to get on a record label. Just did it for fun. I saw the comments about Skroteez, they were a great band as were Barbed Wire.
Like I said, playing with my mates from Overspill but my main reason for coming here was to say the Livi Punks weren’t a bad lot, they somehow earned a fearsome reputation (not that we were always perfect right enough) but as a self declared Livi Punk I saw most of the bands mentioned here, early Scars, even the post punk bands on postcard records-went to loads of gigs and always got on well with other punks or whomever attended gigs (and they were far from what is generally considered as people sporting a punk look.
Have considered penning a book on the punk scene in Scotland (with a special nod towards a Livi perspective) and I know most of the stories, the good the bad and the fucking hideous bringing this right up to the present day as old farts that won’t let go of our punk roots-also thought about releasing CD’s or having a download site somewhere on the bands either I was in or those bands my pals were in. For free obviously-just to get it out there and because i like the idea of historical documents or more current ones being available for nothing. If anybody has a potential host site or suggestions as to how I could do this then let me know as long as they aren’t looking to ask others for any money.
Would send free CD’s of stuff to anyone interested as well.
External Menace were excellent in all their incarnations, I could go on……..
awright folks, jimmy savilles wheelchair. gid band fi east kilbride, till most of em moved into g/gow. there were quite a few bands round there as well: psycho flowers, greame & the nice boys, donkey, the dick finger triplet, and others ah’ve unfortunately forgotten. that period was pretty gid for bands just kickin aboot daein wee gigs in aw th g/gow satellite towns. mmmm fun.
The band you’re trying to remember are Boys in Darkness. They released 2 singles but it’s their first ‘Back to France’ you seem to remember – it was released twice. One member of the band was an art teacher in West Lothian but I forget where know (St Kent’s maybe), a Gilhooley – maybe linked with someone of the same name from Bee Bee Cee, an earlier band. Always thought that Boys in Darkness were from Bathgate but could be totally wrong on that one.
I actually work in Livi (at Invy) and a couple of the women I work with are the partners of the punks in the article on the inside sleeve of your single. Small world. Teach a couple of their kids/nephews as well I think!
Gilhooly worked at Deans as an art teacher post my time there. He had a brother, who also played in Bee Bee Cee, that was a swimming attendant at the school. They reformed the band as BBC2 and played a gig at the school around 1980/81.
Has anyone mentioned DefCon 4? I remember I had a couple of cassettes of theirs. They came and played in my home town along with Distorted Truth once- not sure what year tbh. Only song I can really remember at the moment is one called ‘Troops Out’.