Music Downloads…
All the music downloads on the site have been deleted by persons unknown from the server.
They CAN be uploaded again, but firstly Tony Puppy will have to get to the bottom of why this has happened.
It could be that the host site have done something incredibly unethical and pulled the plug for some reason. The hosting site has not sent any emails to Tony concerning any problems or maintenace with the KYPP site over this weekend.
If the hosting company deny any knowledge then it could be a disgruntled hacker deliberately wiping of all the downloads.
Either way all my personal mp3 files ARE SAFE, just need to be reloaded, which would take some time but is do-able at least.
I am not going to reload until I know that the hosting site will not take them down, if they were responsible for the deletions in the first place.
Tony and Gerard will keep me updated with news on this matter, and I will proceed with reinserting all the mp3 files when I get told to do so.
This could take several days to get to the bottom of, so keep checking back.
Bunch of arse…
June 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Glad that you don’t have to deal with it yourself today, Pengy.
Great night last night, got a sore head?
June 14th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
What a total and utter [insert expletive]. The music here is a historic archive of national and international importance. It is unique, there is music on here that is available nowhere else, much of it in a format – cassette tapes dating back nearly 30 years – which will soon be degraded beyond recovery.
The vinyl archives saved here are of records released in very small quantities (typically 500 to 1000) on micro-record labels which were as fleeting and transitory as the groups whose music they documented.
The music cannot be considered in isolation from the social and political context in which it was created. Although scarcely registering in the numerous academic (cultural studies based) and popular historical accounts of the punk era, even the briefest reading of the material here reveals the ways in which punk developed as a complex series of negotiations between the dominant culture, various counter and subcultures through the period 1977 to 1986, becoming itself an element of subsequent musical, social and political developments.
The music acts as a bridge from the personal, fragmented and historically unconscious memories of participants to the collective, cohesive and informed historical consciousness of the participants. .. thus facilitating the negation of spectacular time and spectacular history.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Shit!, mind you, it could be something and nothing, had it happen to me a while back, and the site hosting the files were doing some maintainence, but didn’t bother to inform anyone, which was nice of ‘em, here’s hoping for ya penguin, it wasn’t so much having to put all the links back, but more the time factor, when I could have been putting new stuff up that hacked me off, talking of which; those hackers, well there are some arseholes out there that do target blogs and delete their files, for whatever twisted reason, cos that’s happened to a couple of sites, but not for a while though, anyway all the best.
June 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
There’s also the option of uploading them as torrent files and providing links to the torrents. Once they’ve been up there a while, and enough people have downloaded them from you, there will be people seeding them. Kind of acts as a distributed backup almost.
You can then just check once in a while whether anyone’s seeding them (and if anyone encounters them on here and nobody’s seeding them you can reseed them for a bit).
Might be worth having a look at anyway.
Isn’t there also some repository that the Linspire guy runs which allows you to upload your entire MP3 collection to? Maybe worth a butchers too.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Yes, that’s a bummer… Hope it’s nothing serious. Still, you can start with the Managing Directors when you re-upload (*winks*)
June 14th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Hey luggy, penguin and john
really good night last night – thanks for sortin it…
June 14th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
The Subway Sect gig was pretty good after you had to leave to get to Angel Dan. I managed to get about 30 folk in for £3 a head, so that was nice of the venue. Stayed out way past my bedtime…
June 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
shit,thats no good.how much stuff have you put up over the last few months?the thought of uploading that amount of stuff seems pretty daunting,but thats me ,with a shit slow connection and a pc with a mind of its own!hope they have it all on their servers so you dont have to though,good luck.
June 14th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Bunch of fat, hairy arse indeed Pengers… hope it gets sorted soon chaps. If it’s a spotty, teeny hacker, lets track them down and insert a hard drive where the sun don’t shine…
On another note, humble apologies to all for not making it last night, especially to John last name withheld… lame excuses sent in an email to him, hope you all had a great night anyway. I didn’t, just sat at home with a dark cloud above my head. Oh well lets just ensure there’s another get together sooner rather than later, where I will be without fail, even if I have to be dug up lol! ;-D
Nice teddy too, shall we have a ‘guess the name competition’ while we wait for all the uploads to come back?!
June 14th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
simon> “If it’s a spotty, teeny hacker, lets track them down and insert a hard drive where the sun don’t shine…”
would certainly help with the land-fill situation….
June 14th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Yes, I find that teddy strangely alluring too… :O
June 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
johng, thanks for the concern. 1020 downloads 13 GB in all. I think the reloading should be simple enough. At least I will not have to rerecord or adjust links on the post. Will take a bit of time though, but I got some decent kit so hopefully will be relatively smooth.
June 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Bear is called Bobo for any one interested. He is a sweetie and cheered me up when (with the biggest hangover for several months)I awoke to find all the music has been snatched!
June 16th, 2008 at 12:02 am
The official word is that the hosting company ‘Streamline’ has taken all mp3′s off the site with no advance warning to KYPP as the mp3′s breach the terms and conditions of said company.
KYPP have 28 days to appeal this decision to get them re-uploaded by that company.
Hopefully Tony and Gerard can overturn this decision by the company as the (mostly) rare stuff I have uploaded for over nine months will have all been wasted to all new and future visitors to this site.
Obviously I will not be able to upload new material on mp3 either if the decision is not overturned.
June 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Bad news, Penguin – really sorry to hear it (especially after all your good work)…
I hope it gets resolved…
June 16th, 2008 at 11:28 am
How about just putting them all up as Bitorrents? I’m sure there’ll be at least some people seeding them all the time. I’m sure that we’ll all leave them to seed, so they’ll be there when someone wants to get them.
Like I say, better than nothing.
June 16th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Unfortunately, I had a funny feeling this would happen sooner or later. Happened to a friend of mine’s site a few years ago. Most likely someone complained to host server and the fact they didn’t contact you first would suggest they knew the most expedient procedure. I’d simply say only do the tapes and recordings of bands people know members of in future as , you could argue you’ve been given permission from ‘copyright holders’ in these cases, which is true enough. And at the end of the day, that’s the stuff people are most interested in anyway, if they’re after major label stuff there’s 101 other sites anyone can download that from, and at the end of the day i’m sure more people are gonna come here to listen to ‘Nazi Born & Bred’ by The Heretics than ‘Heroes’ by Bowie!
Anyway, hope you get it all sorted out soon and all the best. Would be such a wank if all your labours have been lost.
June 16th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Life’s a wank, my friend, life’s a wank…
June 16th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
@Nic-> “Life’s a wank, my friend, life’s a wank…”
And ISPs/hosting companies are the unexpected jizz-hole in the crusty sock of existence.
June 16th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Hi Dan, Leon, Steph, Nick, Veg, Andy B. Jenny, Gary, Tod and all of the other people that were there the other night who I don’t have e-mail addresses for. It was great seeing all of you, I did take some photos that I’ll be sending anyone I have contact info for everyone else if you get in touch through either my site or here I’ll do my best to get them to you. It was great seeing everyone and a really fun night. Thanks everyone for showing up and I’ll try and make sure I make it back to London again a bit sooner next time. Cheers Penguin, JC,Luggy and everyone else for putting it all together.
June 16th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Good luck with all this gents.Suprisingly enough I cant offer any technical assistance.
ISP’s there the new tecnifascists..
June 16th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
John
I’m really sorry I didn’t make it the other night, I had a feeling it wouldn’t work out which is more annoying given as I only live 10 minute from there. Gutted that I missed the likes of Ann and Mitch too – people I haven’t seen in years and years.
June 16th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Yes, all fine and dandy, but can someone arrange a date with the teddy for me?
June 17th, 2008 at 12:28 am
I can pimp him out for £££. Contact me in the normal manner Stewey.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Still awaiting reply from the hosting site on this problem. Tony has been on it, and they are aware of the appeal made by Tony.
Never fear, even if the hosting site dig their heels in, Tony and Gerard have some plans afoot…do not panic…downloads will be back to normal soonish.
June 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Good stuff !! Tony and Gerard..
How’s Dad life Penguin ??
June 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Nuff sweeeet Carl…spending more time with the terror due to no music! Still sticking up photos and ting though…
June 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
UPDATE: The painfully shite Streamline hosting company has taken over a week to reply to Tony’s ‘appeal’ with a “No, sorry guv, cant do that innit”.
Tony and Gerard will be working towards a solution to get this train back on track, and the music uploads, past, present and future will at last be playable again. Unfortuanatly it may take up to a month to get everything back to normal. We are as frustrated as you, the good KYPP public, about this situation. Streamline did not give any warning to Tony of what was about to happen from their end, if they had given say 28 days or so, then cut the mp3s out of the links, we could have worked toward a solution earlier to recify this action. I woke up one morning and everything was snatched, and they are very slow at getting back to the paying customer. All mp3 files are safe though and will be replaced in time.
Anyone putting a site together should avoid Streamline hosting if you can help it.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
There’s also Rapidshare, Mediafire, Megaupload, Zshare, etc., most of which seem to be pretty reliable.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
i have had endless run ins with streamline’s customer (non) service. they really are shite. oddly though they have never done anything about the mp3s on my site which have had huge numbers of downloads. i would hazard a guess that one of the artists whose music was uploaded here complained to them.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I’d just like to say that this site has been a source of a lot of recaptured memories. It has given me the opportunity to hear not only great, unheard music, but also personal favourites which I grew up with. I already own a lot of the songs on tape or vinyl, but as technology has changed, don’t currently have the chance to listen to it in that format. This site has changed that and I really do appreciate the site and the hard work that has obviously gone into making it so good. Thanks a lot to all involved. Keep the faith.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
UPDATE: We are now free of the troublesome Streamline hosting and we have joined up with Gerard’s bunch ABISTI which should work out much more pleasant to deal with. Gerard has been involved in this site since inception and will be quicker to sort things out if any problems appear in the future. He is also sympathetic to the KYPP cause being there or thereabouts in the KYPP punk scene way back in the day…
Next Tony Puppy will have to decide how and who to out source the mp3 files too. Either a rapidshare deal in which case I will have to redo every mp3 link on the site and possibly re transfer from mp3 to RAR, or to a foreign based business dealing in download activity. Until I know from Tony Puppy the full sp, I remain impotent at least in a working on site way.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Hi folks,
Tonight we moved hosts, but there is still an issue with the mp3s. At least on our new host it should be easier to control any problems.
The music will have to be re-established through rapid share type places. When I last used these sites I found speedyshare good as the end user didn’t have a mountian to climb to get to the music. But no one seems to recommend it (see David Says June 29th).
I’ve been recommended mediafire and sharebee (which uploads to four different sites) and shareonall (which uploads to 5 different sites).
It’s a pain because before we could just click on something that sounded interesting and hear it, now there’s a whole palaver which is off-putting to the mildly curious.
Of course I’m in denial as to how this is actually going to get done, whichever file sharing service is used.
Any thoughts?
July 8th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Yes… When’s my date with the delectable teddy?
July 8th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Personally chaps I’d go for Mediafire, although I don’t know any costs involved for uploading, they are very quick to download from (allegedly!), plus you can view folders and their contents then download from those folders, if the preferences allow. Can password protect too.
Mind you they way things are going, downloading from such sites looks to be under ever-increasing scrutiny… Virgin having already sent out warning/threatening letters to so called ‘customers’ regarding such downloads. Good job Mr Pengers is careful what he uploads eh what ;-D
The music business/government will have fun trying to sort it out, the whole biz seems to be in tatters in some respects and so far behind the times, it’s untrue. Technology can be wonderful at times eh!
July 8th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
£50 for 20 mins Stewey…you can have 10 mins free as a KYPP site regular. So 30 mins in all for £50.
Email me privately for details of where to meet the teddy.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
£50 for 30 minutes!!!! :O That’s daylight robbery! :O But those come-to-bed-eyes ARE rather irresistible… and that fur looks VERY strokeable… and I do come very quickly… OK! Done deal! I’m assuming for that price it’s without a condom?
July 8th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Bring a spade along Stewey, he shits everywhere being a big bear.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
As long as he gives me wood, who cares????
July 8th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
PS Just looking at some pix, re Hagar the Womb – never heard them, don’t know them – but I do have an album by the Anti-Social Workers (bloody good it was too – with the Mad Professor!). Were any of them former members??? Just as a matter of interest?
July 8th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
No they were not Stewey, although Tim ‘Bilko’ the stout left wing skinhead vocalist and Leyton Orient fan did join The Blaggers briefly at the beginning of that bands career after ASW split up. Bilko does poetry readings nowadays I think. Was a top bloke but have not seen him for about 6 years now. He used to live with Buster Bloodvessal in Clapton, and had an enormous………………………………..reggae collection that he would spin at George Robey Ska nights in the late 1980′s.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Being a cheapskate I aint got an account with no-one, so for my blog I mainly use 4 shared, Media fie or divshare, each allows up to 5GB free, max file size is 100MB, but if ya pay this all changes. Divshares my favourite, but you’re only allowed a certain amount of downloads per month, can’t remember how many GB’s, but after a month it all starts again, so if someone wants to download something and you’ve exceeded download limit, they’ll have to come back in a months time to access it. The thing I like about those 3 is that you can set up folders on them and keep track of yer files, and they don’t delete files that haven’t been accessed for a while, that isn’t the case with mega upload, Sendspace, but that might be different if I was paying. I’ve steered clear of rapidshare, as it doesn’t like some browsers. I suppose as with everything If you pay, in theory you would expect a better service. Pop ups are sometimes a problem for people, when you haven’t got a dedicated server, I dunno, it’s pretty much all of the same really. Anyway that’s my thoughts on it all. An alternative, but possibly costly one, would be to set up yer own server, cost could be shared amongst like minded bloggers etc. I did look into possibilities, all very technical….woosh! Straight over my head, and the guy I was speaking to about it was a bit of a techy and blinded me with science, so I thought no more about it. Right, gotta go now, things to do
July 9th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Sorry for being a complete “luddite fuckwit” but will all the options being considered allow me to play the stuff through Windows media player or am I going to have to attempt to do something clever ?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Carl – can’t see any reason why not
Everyone – Let’s have a thread on Tom Waits. I’m in love…
July 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
if mitch wasn’t in the anti social workers, what’s he doing on the album cover?? also, a nice adventure playground photo on the other side…
July 14th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I’m not certain, but I remember Mitch being in the Anti Social Workers live band as well as playing with the 3 Johns though I’m not sure he was ever actually a band member of either band.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I saw Anti Social Workers perform as a white boy three piece, Mitch was on the cover due to him being a mate of the band (as were other Hagars) and he also did some backing vocals on that 1983 Ariwa released LP with a host of other people like Ranking Ann and Mandy (ex Conflict). Horsemouth Wallace (Star of the JA film `Rockers’) also helps out on some drumming duties for the LP.
John you may be getting Leeds based Three Johns confused with Leeds based Mekons, a band which Mitch did in fact join up with in the late 1980′s early 1990′s (I think).
July 15th, 2008 at 11:21 am
yeah, there was a stint with the mekons in between doing playwork in islington and then more playwork in hackney at shakespears walk adventure playground, which is still there, just. i really enjoyed the asw’s, i still insert “i was born on a small island, i said bollox!” into conversation when i can! fine man and fine playworker. community play provision is one of the few areas that still manages to get ordinary people off their arses to act collectively… we’re doing a “powis square” (see tom vague’s notting hill articles or dave wise’ revolt against plenty site) on a bit of land in hackney at the moment.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
OK a decision has been made for the mp3 hosting. Media Fire is what the site will be using. In the next few weeks I will be re-uploading most of the material on this site. Only when I have finished with the old uploads will I start loading up other material on this links / downloads and post 86 pages.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
stewart! back away from the bear …
July 15th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
His head says yes, but his dinkle says no…
July 16th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Ahhh, you know me so well… Min, can you lend me 50 quid?!?!